[disgruntledphd2]

> with previous RL-systems

Most human systems are much, much, much more complicated than most closed world games (which is where RL approaches have seen massive success, mostly through self-play).

Like LLMs are great, but I honestly can't see us getting actual general intelligence out of them.

[layla5alive]

They already possess general intelligence by many metrics. Sure they miss a few, but that's nitpicky and goalpost shifty - lots of humans make errors of all sorts as well, or incur brain damage limiting them in one or a few areas of intelligence - we don't then say they are not general intelligence anymore.

I think maybe you mean superintelligence, which is a more fair critique.

[disgruntledphd2]

> They already possess general intelligence by many metrics.

Can you share the metrics you are using for this assessment?

They are really powerful tools, but a quick glance at their thinking tokens (which is a bad name, tbh) rapidly disabuses me of the notion that they are general intelligences.

They possess large amounts of crystallised intelligence (i.e. they have a lot of knowledge), but their fluid intelligence is definitely lower than the human median.

[layla5alive]

My take is that fluid intelligence (quite a bit) below human median is still general intelligence (that is, general intelligence doesn't mean no gaps).

It feels like we have collectively goal-post shifted the definition of AGI to be closer to that of ASI.

One of those "what do you call a doctor who graduated at the bottom of their class" type things. I think despite their genuine deficits (and there are many), frontier LLMs have basically cleared the minimum AGI bar.

Though I realize a lot of people don't agree with this take :)