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by Quothling 18 days ago
UV, Ruff and Pyrefy and you're set. As someone who works with Python, Typescript and C/Zig quite a lot I don't disagree with you on Typescript, but I'm not sure why you'd pick Typescript over Python. Bun is kind of awesome, but it's also kind of unfinished, but if you go with the default Node I find that the setup for security compliance is next to impossible where Python can do most things with it's standard library, a pandas and pyarrow.

I personally prefer the fake typing in Python because it fits well with our defensive programming style with very low abstraction and little to no adherence to DRY. Since Python naturally force you to deal with runetime assertions rather than getting you to do compiletime checks that then don't actually offer any form of safety at runtime. Which is obviously not a very technical argument, but it just feels a lot cleaner rather than having to juggle the two.
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bionade24 17 days ago
uv still can't build all wheels and afaik they don't intend to do so. Furthermore they leave their users with 0 indication that the build fails because the wheel is unsupported by uv. If I were a beginnner or intermediate, I'd definitely given up after some attempts of fixing the buildsystem/code of the wheel.

I don't get how uv regularly gets recommended without any note about this.

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woodruffw 17 days ago
(I work on uv.)

Can you say more? uv should always tell you if a wheel build fails, unless the build backend (which uv doesn’t control, unless you use uv’s own backend) decides to silently ignore a wheel build. This would be a bug in any given build backend IMO.

This is an unfortunate complexity in Python packaging: something like `uv build` can dispatch a wheel build for you, but the actual code that gets run as part of that build is often third-party build backend code that uv itself has little to no control over.

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bionade24 17 days ago
It happened almost 6 months ago, trying to build https://github.com/remsky/Kokoro-FastAPI with uv. From what I can still infer from the dependency list & my shell history, the problematic dep had been pyopenjtalk. After building & installing this dep with pip, I was able to continue to use uv.
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Quothling 17 days ago
We get UV to generate a requirements.txt and then use the Python and Pip which is available on the official Microsoft container images we use for Azure container apps once it hits production. I've never had any issues with the build system in development though.
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zelphirkalt 17 days ago
Can you name some example and explain what happens, that the user is left without indication of failures? I am asking, because I have not had such issues yet, but maybe I just don't know I had them?
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