[DiscourseFan]

I guess that is true, but it isn't much. But my basic point was that before you can have "life" you have to have a theory of life which ultimately requires metaphysics, and there hasn't been much of an update to our understanding of what would ground a definition of life beyond Aristotle and Kant, and even their work is not determinative by any means.

[vasco]

Just because you picked 2 guys it doesn't mean nobody else had any different ideas. What a weird position to have, unless you literally read everything. There's so many theories. You didn't even include religions