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by KetoManx64 18 days ago
> The Libertarians seem to either genuinely not care about the rest of the world or, more often than not, seem to be naive about how life can be for the less privileged

No, they just put boundaries on what services they want handled by the government. Government programs are the least efficient and most wasteful way of getting a job done, and there are endless examples of this.

Churches were historically the places people went to for assistance, and churches held people accountable and would push them to fix their underlying issues. Government programs have none of this, you can keep making the same bad decisions and nobody will hold you accountable and the benefits will keep coming in.

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The government is in a bad position to be that kind of paternal - any sort of large machine is the worst possible judge of the difference between "shit happened" and "I am systemically making incorrect life choices".

I agree that what you need here is someone(s) with leverage and respect in your life to interfere with systemic bad behaviors if they exist, but that takes community, government merely gets leverage, and churches are often not a welcoming place to many people's eyes, rightly or wrongly, around the US.

As I get older, I'm increasingly of the opinion that the best you can do is unconditional support from the government (because it's the only kind you can rely on no humans in the chain acting in bad faith to condition), and well funded local support structures for people to subsist while fucking up their lives and also help them get out of that spiral if they want to.

Not because I believe in some fundamental good in man or something, but because I think that's the only way you can design this that isn't subject to people's bad faith manipulation, and I've personally seen too many cases go wildly differently for "objective" criteria where the main difference seemed to be whether the person reading it went into it assuming you were lying or not.

Christianity died in my country because people got tired of the judgemental, hypocritical cunts. The child abuse scandals that hit later only confirmed it.
It’s dying in the US too, just taking longer than other developed countries.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/697676/drop-religiosity-among-l...

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=46484284

Worse than the child abuse scandals of goverment: - public school teachers sexually abusing their students - The Epstein files ?
You’re attributing to government what is just the overwhelming population of perps in this context: predatory men. Sometimes teachers, very often religious institution participants; positions of power, trust, and/or authority used to control.
I am not. School teachers are predominantly women (around 90%), single parent homes are primarily run by women, women play the largest roles in the raising of children in genetal, and also make up about 35% of domestic abuse reports (not accounting for all the cases where men are too ashamed to report the abuse).

Women commit just as much sexual abuse as men, it's just not talked about by society.

> Women commit just as much sexual abuse as men, it's just not talked about by society.

Please provide a citation for this assertion. Here’s mine refuting it.

https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-pu...

https://smart.ojp.gov/somapi/chapter-2-etiology-adult-sexual...

https://www.humanrights.unsw.edu.au/news/study-finds-one-10-...