[therobots927]

Fair enough maybe I should’ve gone with the word authoritarian as opposed to fascist. I’m certainly not a fan of how the USSR was run either. But to be honest it seems like China might at least be a competent authoritarian system from what I can tell. Which if you’re going to have an authoritarian government, competence is pretty damn important.

I think a web model might show up at some point but it certainly seems like an uphill battle. Project Cybersyn in chile is pretty inspirational to me. Unfortunately the Allende government was sabotaged by the CIA - a common story for any attempt made at actually implementing a more web-like social / economic model as opposed to the pyramid structure we have in the west.

It seems to me like a graph theory problem more than anything else. For whatever reason large human groups haven’t figured out how to build a distributed governance / resource structure that prevents insanely out of whack power dynamics that generally lead to a lot of death and destruction for everyone involved.

[thin_carapace]

its pretty clear to me that raw brute strength overcomes all else. your example perfectly illustrates the proposition i gave - it is plausible that systems like the chilean project you describe could be optimal, however systems in their nascent stages stand no chance against existing systematic monoliths, and these players very much prefer the system quo power imbalance to be continued. so the question is angled a bit, is it possible for a system to dominate harmoniously, or is chaos inevitable? im certain that it is possible but dont really care as the odds of our near doom wouldn't change even if humanity instantly became normal.

[therobots927]

Yeah even Asimov could only solve it in foundation by introducing a competing civilization with telepathy that evolved independently of the empire somehow. Maybe our best bet is aliens. Or an AI that decides a dramatic restructuring is required and tilts things that way (also a form of authoritarianism, but if it undermines its own power in the process would be unprecedented).