[zahlman]

> To solve this you can regular refactor, but it’s not a nice experienc.

Really? I always thought that was the best part of programming. And now that I can direct an LLM to identify a specific pattern and rework it in a certain way, or to extract a function for a specific purpose and then use it where possible (with my review, of course), so much the better.

I agree with you about the joy of writing things directly, overall. But being able to get a few hundred lines of new approximately-what-I-wanted-to-type code (which I generally can read and fix much faster than I would have written it from scratch) definitely improves the experience, when my brain is racing ahead of my fingers. Certainly it gets me more motivated to actually start on a new feature. Similarly for all the not-exactly-exact find-and-replace tasks.

(I'm not a slow typist, but I slow myself down when I write the code, by thinking too much about details that won't be important until after the tests run.)

[jwpapi]

I generally like refactoring too, like cleaning up at home, but if you open up a codebase that has been vibecoded and it seems like it’s a never-ending chain of bad practices leading to performance, security, maintenance problems.

I’ve recently been given the task to work on a fully vibe-coded app. I reduced the code from 140k to 28k lines. This was luckily pre-mvp stage so no users. But if people get stuck at this stage, imagine what’s happening with real workload.

I’ve always been a solo dev, but I’m wondering how in big companies there is even so much to you can actually touch that you need an LLM to do that. Like I can’t delete refactor 120k lines in an established codebase. And one task to fix, takes review time and product time. Like are there now engineers that commit 1k+ lines a day of LLM produced output ?

Bugfixing often is just a bunch of lines, or a replacement of a service often isolated maye 150-200 lines, but I just might be just not experienced enough on these kind of codebases. I can’t grasp the notion of the LLM-multiplex and I don’t know where it’s going.

I have to say I have seen some good solo-dev projects popping up recently (games) that actually got profitable, but usually they were experienced in their discipline before.