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by nekusar 22 days ago
I can easily install an ActivityPub server, with Glitch.

Show me the ATProto server that can integrate with BlueSky.

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Which is a misleading message, according to the recent HN discussion, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48599515.
I don't think it's misleading at all, the comment you're looking to is.

People really do ask where "The AT Proto server is" as evidenced by this thread, and the really is no "AT Proto server" or "instance". AT Proto and BlueSky are a collection of services with no 1-1 relationship to a Mastodon or RSS server.

There's absolutely nothing misleading about that.

The misleading thing is that people asking do not care about the exact construction of ATProto. They ask whether they can self-host and control everything and still interact with the main network.
Is there a relevant recent HN discussion or is this comment just in bad faith?
Sorry, I fixed the link.
Never used it, but I've seen some praise for Snac as an easy to deploy activitypub server

https://codeberg.org/grunfink/snac2

> I can easily install an ActivityPub server, with Glitch.

Can you? The same Glitch that shut down last year? https://blog.glitch.com/post/goodbye-glitch

Regardless, ActivityPub and ATProto have different designs and goals. Your question is akin to comparing a helicopter and an airplane.

There's no such thing as a "ATProto server". How complicated it is, and the trade-offs it made are valid criticisms of it. It all depends on what exactly your goal is as a participant of a distributed social network.

What does ATProto run on, if not servers? Is it fully decentralised mesh P2P that runs on phones?
What makes up the ATProto is more than one type of server. Compared to ActivityPub where you just run a single Mastodon instance and you're set.

If the thing you want to own is your identity and data, you can fairly easy run a PDS yourself. If the thing you care about is different moderation decisions, you can run your own labeller (moderation system) or subscribe to another someone else has made.

There's not one server instance type, there are different components to it

To 'own your data' you just need a PDS, which should be cheaper to run than an ActivityPub server

To build an app you need some of the more expensive parts

The answer here would be "there's no such thing as a generic "server" like in ActivityPub because it's split into different components, of which a PDS is only one".

Honestly my main question here is "If you disagree with various ActivityPub instances' defederations, you can get around this by starting your own instance that federates with everything; is there an equivalent for bypassing Bluesky's moderation decisions?"

Use a different appview, not bluesky. Or have your own appView. That is the design of ATProto as far as I understood.
Is run your own pds good enough? Or you want your own view?