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by bcjdjsndon 18 days ago
> until the planet burns down.

Common misconception. We won't kill the planet even if we tried to. Wed make it too hard to sustain billions of humans, sure. But they are very different things

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The planet will still be here even if it burns down. After London burned down, there was still London. It was just burned down.
This is a good distinction because its a common idea but its based on a conflation: human civilizationhealth and planet health. Planet health is hard to even think about apart from humans but the planet in no way “needs” us.
It's a silly distinction. Unless we're wiped out by a virus or something similar, whatever ends us is likely to also take down a huge part of the biosphere as well - as is already happening.

"Burning something down" doesn't mean literally killing all life. But the unnecessary deaths of likely billions of animals in the long run should weigh enough to stop this nitpicking.

Same could be said about any of the many mass extinction events in earth history. Not that I’m in favor of setting the planet on fire, but if you zoom out far enough it’s clear earth would bounce back from even a nuclear war coupled with climate change and microplastics.
And that makes it somehow okay? You just don't care about billions of deaths?

Like, do you think I'd argue that any of the previous mass extinctions were good?

> Like, do you think I'd argue that any of the previous mass extinctions were good

Without the most recent one, mammals and thus humans wouldn't have flourished... So yes. If you conversely care about those people dying, then you should be celebrating the comet that killed the dinosaurs

Could you explain why I "should" be celebrating that? There's no logical sequence leading from "caring about people & animals dying" to "one should think that previous mass extinctions were good".
We might not be here without those mass extinction events. So yeah, they were good, fck the dinos.
I think the mere fact that they resulted in comments like yours proves they were objectively not good.
Not good but definitely inevitable. It’s sort of like a cache clearing mechanism for the sim.
The current mass extinction was in no way inevitable, it is caused by humans. We can still have an unknowably large impact on the number of lives lost. I don't know why we should pretend otherwise.
Sure, and the planet survived the Permian-Triassic extinction event. Cold comfort to 70% of the terrestrial vertebrate species at the time.
You say that, but run away greenhouse gases can sterilize the entire planet, like Venus.
Fortunately that particular extreme scenario doesn't seem likely. Radiance scales with the fourth power of temperature, and we're not filling the atmosphere with Venus levels of sulfuric acid. Our CO2 output will be self-limiting when it kills us and we stop outputting it.
Sure, it will "only" look like another one of the Big Five extinction events.
We've already caused one of those and it's ongoing. Wiping ourselves out would actually end it.
Are you sure it would end it?
We won't kill it, but we can try to burn it. Conflagration comes to mind.
>We won't kill the planet even if we tried to.

Common misconception. The planet isn't alive. We can't kill it. It's a rock.

Like a burned out brick building, a burned down planet is still there, but still also burned down. Of course it doesn't 'disappear'
Not even close chief.

Earth has been a rich, life sustaining planet in far hotter conditions then anything we are projected to take it to.

We can kill billions of ourselves, but short of ww3 earth will crack on just fine.

Social media emotional hot-takes dont match the numbers.

We are still screwed though.

There's always the Death Star angle.