[arjie]

They do, and I want to encourage them to do so because they think through talking. What I don’t want to do is spend time reading all that.

We will probably just get reader-side affordances for this like auto-folded justification and introduction sections and so on.

Doubtless some chat interface will add this the way they’ve added reasoning folding.

[bcrosby95]

Thinking models think through talking, don't reveal that talking, then answer by again thinking through talking. It's kinda funny in a way.

[mdgld]

I always expose reasoning traces. How else can you seriously debug?

[girvo]

The closed models aren't giving you the real thinking traces, though.

[alfiedotwtf]

It’s wild the people don’t want to see the thinking

[joquarky]

Those traces are just summaries of the reasoning.