[sunshine-o]

What should worry everybody is the big picture (trying to abstract from politics, ideologies and specific situation). In recent years we had:

- Europe is now at war with Russia (neighbor)

- Its relationship with the US is rapidly deteriorating (main partner, de facto protector)

- Its relationship with China is also rapidly deteriorating

- It is getting very antagonistic with it own citizen and some individual member countries (such as Hungaria or Romania recently)

So there are a lot of justifications in each case but the overall picture is worrisome. You can't be antagonistic with everyone.

There is a reason why the North Korean regime is still around, they never forgot they need to keep a good relationship with at least one powerful ally.

[lyu07282]

Isn't it interesting that if you remove the US from that list, it all aligns with US foreign policy? How fortuitous that EU interests just happen to coincide so well with our American friends.

[zelphirkalt]

US is now allied with Russia though. Or at least its president acts as if it was.

[lyu07282]

Then you are not paying attention, he satisfied his Murica-First Cult like a circus clown. The US is the biggest arms dealer in the world, the Europeans are delivering weapons from their stockpile to Ukraine, then the US is filling those stockpiles up. Works like clockwork, just like under Biden, there is no actual change in policy towards Russia/Ukraine.

[ClumsyPilot]

> - Its relationship with China is also rapidly deteriorating

For which there is no good reason and which is extremely stupid

There has been zero aggression from China towards Europe and zero chance of military confrontation.

Most of the sanctions that were implemented under pressure from Us have backfired on Europe (but not so much on US)

European politicians are going around the world and telling India not to trade with Russia while Israel trades with Russia, etc.

[koiueo]

> There is a reason why the North Korean regime is still around

Nukes

[onemoresoop]

EU is doing some concerning moves but, looking at your points, Russia attacked Ukraine. EU is not at war with Russia, only supporting Ukraine.

Second, the relationship with US is deteriorating due to Trump. As a matter of fact all US relationships are deteriorating for the same reason. Where have you been the past years? Im not going to bother to respond to the following points because you mix some reality with propaganda and seem to live in a paralel reality.

[wolvoleo]

Yeah US is threatening to invade and take over Canada, Greenland, I mean no wonder the alliance is no longer strong right?

And the internal struggles are indeed a problem, this is due to the extreme right which has completely taken over America (and is sponsored by Russia). It was good to see the Hungarians came to their senses but it's worrying that the EU doesn't have a mechanism to expel countries.

The problem is who do we ally with that we can trust now. Russia and America obviously not. Canada yes but they're not big. China just serves its own interests, they will never care about a partnership. They just want our money to buy their products, nothing else.

I think South America is another potential one and the EU is trying to connect there with eg Mercosur. But America is sponsoring the extreme right there too as you can see in Honduras and Colombia recently. And in Venezuela of course.

[graemep]

There is a considerable history of the US wanting Greenland:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_acquisi...

> The problem is who do we ally with that we can trust now.

"We have no eternal allies, and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are eternal and perpetual, and those interests it is our duty to follow." ― Lord Palmerston

There are lots of possible allies, but no one single ally to depend on. India to counter balance China, Canada to have an ally in North America, etc.

> it's worrying that the EU doesn't have a mechanism to expel countries.

Or it can become a federal state.

[wolvoleo]

Well yes the US has wanted it but never actually threatened to invade it before.

And no I don't think it's a good idea for Europe to become a federated state. The US' current situation shows how bad that could turn if the wrong person is elected.

At least we have the national governments here as a safeguard and we can also leave the EU if needed.

And yeah I didn't name India as a possible partner because they're too close with Russia. The EU is trying to make some deals with them but it's a bad idea while Modi and the BJP in general is in power in my opinion. They're similarly bad to minorites as the Chinese.

[graemep]

Is there an unambiguous and credible threat?

The US actually occupied parts of Greenland https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proposed_United_States_acquisi...

> And yeah I didn't name India as a possible partner because they're too close with Russia.

Offer them a better alternative

[tartoran]

Right wing populism is growing in EU as well. That is also sponsored by Russia but also by Trump/Vance etc..

[u8080]

It is popular because governments are failed to address legitimate issues and gaslight population.

[tartoran]

But the populism doesn't address the issues either and and their incoherent points will make things worse. Just look at the US for example.

[u8080]

Indeed, this happens when you sacrifice public dialog for short-term gains calling everyone who does not agree with your points "far-right", "nazi", "russian asset". There will be literal fascists and people will support them just because they promise(probably bait-and-switch, but does not matter) to address public problems instead of gaslighting that problems are non-existent.

[throw-the-towel]

EU is at war with Russia, just that both sides are too cowardly to say it openly.

[tempfile]

They didn't attribute any fault to these patterns, just said the pattern itself is concerning. It is bad for the EU to be mistreated by the US!