[lyle5219]

I don't care at all about what way someone moves their arm unless it's causing violence, and cannot understand why any sane person would. Even if someone did the most nazi salute ever, I still wouldn't care at all, it's an arm movement. Stop pretending normal people care about this

[torlok]

DOGE gutted SSA, IRS, directly affecting seniors and other vulnerable people getting checks, gutted CFPB taking away fraud protection, not to mention gutting of USAID which caused countless deaths, though I'm sure you don't care. Musk used his wealth and social platform to greatly help elect a man, whose personal gestapo is now chasing down non-white US citizens and disappearing them.

But sure, he didn't personally punch anybody, and doesn't wear an SS uniform in public.

[lyle5219]

no amount of words is going to convince me raising your arm in a certain way is bad or that I should care

[Lomlioto]

Why do you even engage in a discussion about this?

Why do you even create an account to do so?

You don't care about other opinions, you don't want to argue at all, so?

[karmakurtisaani]

A couple of fresh accounts spouting nonsense in this thread. Could be just Elon's AI force in action.

[lykr0n]

> cannot understand why any sane person would

because it's not the specific action. it's the reason behind the action.

> Stop pretending normal people care about this

Stop pretending you're a normal person and it's everyone else who is wrong

[estearum]

What do you mean "causing violence?" It sounds like you're suggesting Hitler's moving of his arm somehow caused violence. Can you explain how that could possibly be true under your model of "arm movements don't matter"?

As far as I know, Hitler himself never struck anyone with an outstretched hand. Certainly that's not the crime he's accused of. I don't think you can actually prove that Hitler's arm movements had any causal relationship to the Holocaust, to be honest. So presumably he's in the clear, and there's no reason a normal person would've cared about Hitler's arm movements in the 30s and 40s, correct?

As far as I know, Hitler himself just said words. Same with Pol Pot, Hirohito, Mao, Stalin, and Lenin. How could you possibly attribute violence to any of that under your model of "I'm so smart I can't see causation or intent?"

[lyle5219]

unless you're punching or stabbing someone I really do not care what way you move your arm, whether it's associated with something 80 years ago or not.

[estearum]

Okay so a politician who orders the state to go hunt down your family is in the clear, the guy who drives the secret police to your house is in the clear, but the guys who actually place hands on your children are fully culpable.

Am I understanding correctly?

[lyle5219]

yes you are understanding correctly? what's so hard about understanding that?? By your logic the SS did nothing wrong because they were following orders? Does this work for positives too like if a doctor saves someones life they didn't actually do anything good at all it was their boss who hired them? Everyone is accountable for their own actions. If you can be convinced to do something evil by someone else that's your own problem.

[estearum]

Lmao

You: "Giving orders to do evil is morally fine"

Me: "No I don't think so"

You: "Oh okay, so acting on orders to do evil is morally fine?!"

Uhh, nope.

What a topsy-turvy moral world you've built for yourself. Such is the challenge of an unprincipled man.

[karmakurtisaani]

Ah, so Hitler did nothing wrong. Peak HN here, ladies and gentlemen.

[level87]

the world must be incredibly confusing, with no meaning attributed to anything.

[karmakurtisaani]

At least there is Fox News to spoon feed the truth to people like these.

[StefanBatory]

If someone says they don't care about someone doing Nazi salute, I feel that speaks more about them.

[dezsiszabi]

Stupidest take I heard in a long while and I read reddit everyday, so that's saying something.

[cdelsolar]

i can't tell if this is a joke

[Lomlioto]

I care.

I'm a german and grew up by learning what Nazis did to millions.

I was in a concentration camp. I saw the mountain of luggage.

Elon Musk didn't just do some arm movements, he deliberately used this symbolism.

He could have just appologized, which he did not.