[rayiner]

> It's how brazen they are about altering their models to achieve it.

We know all the models insert shadow prompts to nudge the answers in preferred political directions. How much more "brazen" can you get than that? Nobody is giving you fat-free results that just apply the models to your prompts.

[dominotw]

its not just one guys opinion though

[rayiner]

Who cares whether it’s one guy’s opinion or several people’s group think? Everyone is editing the prompts.

[brookst]

Who cares whether it’s one person ruthlessly dictating or an entire population working to improve? Both tyrants and liberal democracies set policies.

[rayiner]

More like a dictator versus a Poltiburo. If the “entire population” was voting on the shadow prompts of the other models they would look very different. Considering the recent election results, they would look more like Grok.

[Arkhaine_kupo]

> More like a dictator versus a Poltiburo.

The dictator has a proven track record of stupid opinions in multiple topics, mostly programming, which directly can be measured and understood by people here.

Meanwhile the politburo is mostly nerds, who come and interact in places like hackernews.

So its basically having a moron making wild choices or a technocracy.

> Considering the recent election results, they would look more like Grok.

Considering that the largest voter base was "didnt vote" and that the voters of the republican party measured lower in literacy, technical knowledge, higher education acquisitions and even studies on accurately describing reality. I am not entirely confident they would participate or move the shadow prompt in any meaningful direction.

[rayiner]

> Considering that the largest voter base was "didnt vote"

It’s a fallacy to treat “didn’t vote” as “didn’t support the winner.” Non-voters are more pro-Trump than average: https://data.blueroseresearch.org/hubfs/2024%20Blue%20Rose%2.... See p. 6 (“There’s a turnout story this cycle – but a different one than we’re used to talking about. With the combination of less-engaged and less-likely voters leaning more GOP, a larger electorate meant a more Republican electorate. Projecting onto the full voter file, if every registered voter voted, it’s likely that Trump would have won by even more.”).

The data consistently shows that non-voters have lower trust in institutions. They’re the exact type of people who are going to be more skeptical of shadow prompt engineering being done by “safety experts” at Google and Meta.

[nozzlegear]

Obviamente people care when the one guy is notorious for having particularly shitty/edgy opinions.

[reinitctxoffset]

I mean one of the guys got fired by his own board for lying and is still calling the shots. Another guy sued the Pentagon during a war and we're still letting him act like a nation state.

Musk's empire of personality cult is like, idk, on slightly more cocaine?

I'm having a hard time being like: "oh, that's the bad self-appointed, self-dealing would be God Emperor. they're not all like that. why some of my very best friends are cluster B psycho con men with crime funding."

[martimarkov]

What war? Also should laws not be followed during wars? I assume suing is a legal action in this case as oppose to something else?