[froh]

nah.

I'm talking TuSpo 1846 or Post SV or Dt. Alpenverein or Gesangsverein whathaveyou or Tanzsportverein Blau Weiss or Freunde der Modelleisenbahn sth or LSVD or Kleingartenverein etc etc etc

traditional clubs with a constitution and real self organized base democratic involvement and leadership

you get the idea.

not the "let's save some tax" scam pseudo clubs where you are not a voting member but just a service customer.

[lifestyleguru]

Well too late mate, it can be now the nicest verein on the planet but it's too late.