[nozzlegear]

Is uncensored a selling point? What do people use uncensored Grok for (like, real use cases) that they can't or won't use other LLMs for? Literally the only thing I can think of is generating bad porn of unconsenting people.

[user43928]

Some have mentioned legal work. OpenAI and Anhropic models would refuse to work on cases where something immoral happened.

[nozzlegear]

Thanks, that's does sound like a tricky edge case for the other "censored" companies.

[subhobroto]

> What do people use uncensored Grok for (like, real use cases) that they can't or won't use other LLMs for? Literally the only thing I can think of is generating bad porn of unconsenting people

untrue. There's a full thread about it: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48837162 - but as much as I love Claude products, nothing's more aggravating than it refusing to help me diagnose a stack trace because it "violates Anthopic policy".

[gopher_space]

I don't really have a use for a model that thinks "how many people are in this photo?" is a political question.

[nozzlegear]

I don't know what you're referencing.

[tick_tock_tick]

I mean absolutely read any thread about Fabel and it's fill with people complaining about how it instantly downgrades or refuses if anything has CVE in the name.

Other then that there is the whole alignment issue. Models that are 'nerfed' in just about any manner tend to exhibit reduced performance is seemingly unrelated areas.

That said Grok doesn't appear to be close enough to the frontier for that to matter. Maybe if they catch up it will.

[nozzlegear]

Thanks for the reply. I only use local/open models, and don't use them for security work, so I don't have much exposure to frontier alignment and Fable/Mythos stuff beyond what I read from others here on HN.

[peterspath]

Security stuff. Poking holes in my app and suggest fixes.