[SubiculumCode]

Funny, the cheerleading at HN for leading Chinese models, but a non Chinese lab (building on top of a Chinese model) gets dissed here.

[mirekrusin]

It's simple: close weights = not welcome.

[sosodev]

It's almost as if HN users aren't all the same.

[llmslave]

all the open source models are a waste of time relative to the bleeding edge from openai/anthropic

[pixel_popping]

Not true since a few months, genuinely try GLM 5.2 and Minimax M3, especially in adversarial/gating... as a general model, I can agree, but as a coding model, they are not bad, comparable to maybe Opus 4.5 in real usage which is quite impressive.

[villish]

I use GLM or DS4 to help me draft a better initial prompt with more information that I then give to Sonnet 5/Fable/GPT5.5. While benchmarks show the open models close to frontier level, my experience with them is drastically different. I have high confidence that Fable or GPT will 1 shot solutions.

At least with low level programming languages. They're all very good for webdev stuff.

[llmslave]

yeah but why waste your time on these models, just use the one that gets the better results

[nicoburns]

I actively prefer GLM-5.2 for some tasks. For simple tasks the results are just as good as e.g. Opus, and it produces results significantly faster.

[9183726518]

Because you can get them from more trustworthy providers or with hardware encryption.

[llmslave]

i trust anthropic/openai with my data far more than some random startup.

[somenameforme]

I was going to respond until I saw your account name lol.

[llmslave]

haha i outsource my thinking to the smartest model

[wongarsu]

At work I wouldn't want to use anything else. Compared to my salary a Claude subscription (or two) is cheap

For hobby projects I've completely switched to DeepSeek v4 pro. I spend less than on a $10 Claude plan and am not subjected to quota limits (when I have time and motivation, the last thing I want is a 5 hour quota running out). And the difference in model performance is fine for those smaller projects, most of which will end up abandoned or in a state of "good enough" anyways

And for utility tasks, those 30b models are also great. I'm a big fan of gemma4

[llmslave]

ive just got better things to do with my life than fuss with an inferior model. its like why hire a dumb employee over a smart one

[BeetleB]

I think you misspelled "I've got plenty of money".

[llmslave]

200 bucks a month?

[BeetleB]

Is a lot of money. The majority of people here aren't willing to spend $200/mo for coding unless their little projects provide a comparable value back to them.

For context, I'm paying under $30/year and get GLM-5.2. An extra $2300/year isn't going to get me much better outcomes.