[dofm]

I am not pretending that sociological concepts of race don’t exist.

I am saying that it is clear from scientific consensus that biological, genetic race does not exist.

If it did, as I keep saying, “white” and “black” would not be biological races. That is actually not plausible. It’s scientific racism to claim it is.

[simianwords]

What even is biological race? Race as used sociologically has a biological basis. And normal people think that race is real, the same way colour is real.

You have said this

> Races don't exist on any biological level

And it is completely untrue. Sociological race does exist at a biological level. DNA of blacks and whites are different.

Just like wavelength emitted by black and white colours are different.

The survey asked whether race is real - of course race is. Just like colour is real.

White and black are not biological races but words used to describe real clusters of people, even if its lossy. In the entire conversation, you have made a complete strawman, as if people are talking about some made up definition of biological race you have come up with and then claim that "ha that made up definition is not real!"

[dofm]

https://bioanth.org/about/aaba-statement-on-race-racism/

[simianwords]

Your article:

>race has become a social reality that structures societies and how we experience the world. In this regard, race is real, as is racism, and both have real biological consequences

You said

> Races don't exist on any biological level

My suggestion: separate your moral claims and virtues from objective facts. I think you are spiralling into a maze of arguments that you yourself can't keep up with.

[dofm]

This is an extraordinarily obtuse comment.

You have taken the phrase "real biological consequences", which is talking about the illness, healthcare, stress, poverty etc. impact of racism on centuries of people and used it to support your essential thesis that race itself can be detected on some biological level.

This is shameful.

> I think you are spiralling into a maze of arguments that you yourself can't keep up with.

And this is projection. Bye.