[gck1]

I have a really hard time understanding how anyone is ready to pay $200/mo to be put on such a rollercoaster all the time.

I've used fable, it's great. But nothing beats predictability - ever.

This truly feels like some form of emotional abuse/manipulation at this point.

[brookst]

I pay $200/mo because my opus usage alone is >$10k/mo at api rates. Do you think I’m making a mistake?

[Culonavirus]

I read posts like these all the time and I keep wondering when they'll begin to tighten the screws on the prosumers. I think most, if not all, $200/mo individual accounts are blasting high multiples of that amount in tokens. I mean we know that doesn't work with current inference costs, not by a longshot, so I guess this is just a way to pad their numbers like "look, we're growing our user base!" while they can still somewhat hide the "actually, we're hemorrhaging money on inference" in their accounting.

[gck1]

You can't drive prosumers anywhere near API prices. I would guess that the maximum you can extract from vast majority of prosumers is maybe $500/mo, and even that is a big stretch.

Once you cross that threshold, prosumers will simply fall back to using Chinese models and/or self-hosting smaller models, with more efficient and tight workflows.

You'd be killing your consumer line completely.

[brookst]

Sure, but that’s all fine. Maybe McDonalds is just waiting for the day when enough people rely on them that they can charge $1000 for a burger. But if so, the economics aren’t going to work they way they expect.

I’ve always assumed that Anthropic sees the highest token consumers as leading indicators of how developers will use coding agents, so they’re looking at it as training data + market research, and they know that price elasticity is low so trying to charge those developers significantly more would just drive them elsewhere.

[kuboble]

how do we know they aren't making 9800$ profit on inference from 10k$ tokens at api pricing?

[micw]

Paying $100/month and using Opus 4.8 all the time to get my work done. I had a brief look at fable (when it was available the 1st time) but it burned my allowance to fast. So I keep paying the $100 for Opus and enjoy friction-less uninterrupted work.

I'm usually at 60-70% usage at the end of a 5 hour window, that's the pace where I can still think about what to delegate and what to expect and verify the results. Could probably go faster but that would have a significant impact on output quality.

[DonsDiscountGas]

I pay that much and don't even use Fable because everything I do involves biology

[Kim_Bruning]

I feel your pain. Apparently I still do a lot of biology in my day-to-day and in my thinking, so fable jumps the tracks a lot for me.

[winwang]

I would pay $200/mo for Opus 4.8 already. Fable 5 is just a cherry on top (although, without it, Codex 5.5 is the better buy imo).

[dboreham]

I pay $200/mo and they provide me a tool that writes all the code I want. Seems like a great deal to me.

[cjbgkagh]

I would pay vastly more, I think it’s incredible value. If I had no other choice I think I’d pay up to $1K per day. The amount of work I’m getting through is absolutely immense.

[laichzeit0]

Same. I don’t know what Mickey Mouse work people are doing that 4.8 is “enough”. CRUD apps maybe?

I have some serious Bayesian statistical research programs running and Fable is on another level than 4.8. It feels like Andrew Gelman is supervising it. Even the vision model on Fable is superior to 4.8 which is great for having it digest research papers.

[selimthegrim]

Would you say it is definitely catching bugs that Opus wouldn't?

[cjbgkagh]

(Not GP) I would, a lot of my work now is at the edge of what Fable is capable of and even then only with a lot of hand holding. Opus has no chance. I’ve been using Sol and that has been better than Fable in that it needs much less handholding and is much less likely to burn its tokens spinning its wheels.

[selimthegrim]

Well I am doing some Bayesian stuff so I was curious what GP had to say too

[hosel]

Oh gee $2000 worth of tokens from the best available model for $200 wonder how people shell out that kind of cash