[philodeon]

> Incorrect. My argument is that they aren't the same entity.

Your mind is going to be blown when you learn about proxy organizations and cut-outs.

[some_furry]

NIST does a lot of things that have nothing to do with computer security!

Would you indict NIST MEP https://www.nist.gov/mep/about-nist-mep as being an NSA project without evidence?

[philodeon]

The Godfather Part 2 demonstrated overwhelmingly that a good part of Vito Corleone’s ill-gotten gains went to strengthening his community. The Italians in his neighborhood adored him.

[some_furry]

What does a work of fiction have to do with whether two distinct government entities are the same thing or not?

That's beyond moving goalposts. Just take the L, dude.

[philodeon]

I was making the point that if you have subverted the NIST to do your bidding in what appears to be a neutral way, obviously you’re going to have some feel-good projects in your portfolio. Otherwise, the folks that the Soviets called “useful idiots” wouldn’t have anything to point to to exonerate them.

[some_furry]

You're all over the place except where the discussion was actually taking place.

[philodeon]

Ok, let me be clear: the NIST is a proxy organization for the NSA. The declassified internal history of the NSA makes it clear that they were subverting the NIST back when they were still called the National Bureau of Standards.

Just because NIST engages in some wholesome activities doesn’t mean that their core purpose isn’t to do the bidding of the NSA.