[spyckie2]

It’s important that none of these entities can collude to price fix. Having China be the competitor ensures that.

Basic microeconomics is still the easiest way to understand token economies. How is it not a competitive market (where profits go to zero?).

Anything A or O does to keep more margin, any competitor can copy or choose to undercut, and undercutting has the benefit of collecting training data. So what is going to stop gross profit of tokens going to zero except for collusion/price fixing?

[intrasight]

You left out the one that will: federal government industrial policy

[twelve40]

So the federal government industrial policy is the thing that supposedly will keep the prices on "A and O" high in the US while the rest of the world will get comparable AI competing to get cheaper and cheaper?

[CuriouslyC]

Basically, the US govt will say that foreign models and providers are a security risk and ban them. If the US has shares of Anthropic/OAI due to a sovereign wealth fund, it'll be billed as domestic industry protectionism too.

[intrasight]

Yup. Just like electric cars. Actually, more like network gear - so only non-western countries.

[regularfry]

Terrible ideas get executed all the time, despite the problems with them being well understood.

[HDThoreaun]

Considering conditions within a single market is still microeconomics, I agree though its tough to see where firms will get market power from so profit will tend toward zero. I thought the same about GPUs though and nvidia still doesnt seem to have any real datacenter competition in sight.

[spyckie2]

Thanks corrected it.

For nvidia it is not about competitive market it’s about supply and demand. A different subset of microeconomics.