[PaulHoule]

A client introduced me to Arangodb which I felt was a "secret weapon" that I used for a lot of side projects. Then this came out

https://arango.ai/wp-content/uploads/2025/11/ADB-Community-L...

and it is dead to me. I want my head! I can accept GPL, Apache, MIT or some legit open source license. For my projects I see two possible paths which I want to have open: (1) building a commercial service on top of a database (like my RSS reader) where you can't necessarily draw a clear line between what is allowed and what is not allowed, for instance I have an adaptation layer that makes postgres look like the part of arangodb that I actually use (I do manually rewrite AQL queries into a DSL that extends AlchemyAPI) and if I did something similar over arango is this reselling? (2) an open source project where I want to tell people "go forth and use this code" and not have to hire a lawyer to know what they can and can't do.

Once a vendor has shown they have this attitude, I expect them to change their license for the worse in the future -- I just don't want to invest my time and energy in their platform.

[sarchertech]

The license you linked was too much for me because it included limitations 100 GB of data and providing audit logs for the company to inspect.

But I don’t have a problem with people inserting clauses to prevent Amazon from taking over. I don’t expect free work from people forever. If I’m going to use an open source project to build a commercial product, I would only do so if I’m ok forking and maintaining the project myself if necessary.

[PaulHoule]

The license wasn't like that when I first got involved or I wouldn't have gotten involved.

I don't have any fear that Postgres will get relicensed with a worse license than it has. But I see any relicensing or license that is more restrictive than a standard license as a slippery slope that makes me think "I don't want to invest in this platform" thanks to that experience.

I'm a software developer, not a lawyer. I understand standard software licenses and don't feel I have to re-read them or think too much about them. By using one and being dependent on systems that use them I feel like I'm reducing the burden on people who might adopt my open source.

[sarchertech]

There's a couple of different issues here.

The first is that there are many what most people would call standard licenses that contain tons of restrictions. Many of them like AGPL (and GPL to a lesser extent) aren't even fully understood by lawyers.

Second, when people are talking about standard open source licenses, they are generally talking about licensees approved by the OSI. The problem is that the OSI is primarily financed by tech companies including Amazon, Microsoft, and Google. They're not ever going to add a new category of licenses or promote anything that harms those companies business interests.

As far as relicensing being a slippery slope. There's no such thing as relicensing. Once software is released under a certain license, it is always available under that license.

Anyone can choose to license future work using a different license. That is functionally equivalent to the original authors of a project ceasing work, and someone else starting work on a new fork with a different license. Nothing about Postgres using a standard license prevents this (for what it's worth Postgres is released under its own custom "PostgreSQL License" even if it is very similar to other open source licenses).

What you are actually worried about is that someone stops doing free work, which is the practical consequence of "relicensing". If that's the case you need to look into much more than the license of a project, you need to look into size of the organization, funding, size of the community, time in operation etc... I don't know if operating under a non-standard license is even in any way correlated with an organization or person relicensing or any other form of ceasing development.

[tudorg]

This is why I think sites like this one should show license information and make it simple to filter by OSS license.

Otherwise it's the same trap, just one level deeper.