[meh2frdf]

But the issue is those terms are laid out in the agreement, and you willingly agreed to those terms, so what are arguing for is to welch on the deal you accepted?

In terms in consumer protection, at least in UK and Europe (not saying not elsewhere, just don't know much), there is an amount of regulation that tries to help consumers not get screwed in the legalese of these agreements, and some basic protections that can't override.

[Telaneo]

> so what are arguing for is to welch on the deal you accepted?

I'm arguing unfair terms shouldn't be upheld, or really in the agreement in the first place. This is on paper how it should work in Europe, but we (apparently) haven't quite figured that out yet.

[meh2frdf]

If the terms are unfair, then don't agree to them, that is a consumer choice, don't agree to agreements you disagree with!

[Telaneo]

People agree to fraud all the time. That doesn't mean people shouldn't get their money back.