[mannanj]

I think you are mixing "engineering" with responsibility. You could literally take away "engineering" and put in any other word and it wouldn't mean much at all except just saying 'be responsible'.

Yes having more knowledge and accomplishment (experience) in anything in life lets you develop more confidence.

Ethicality is different from responsibility though, I think you conflated the two.

[Stefan-H]

In some traditions, engineering is intertwined with responsibility: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calling_of_an_Engineer

[mannanj]

Okay well which ones do you subscribe to? And I wonder what definition of engineer do you and OP subscribe to, because this conversation probably goes nowhere when everyone sees it as meaning separate things.

Here's one simple one we can probably agree on:

> An engineer is a professional who applies scientific and mathematical principles to design, build, and maintain machines, structures, systems, and software.

As a professional applying these principles to design, build and maintain systems, morals and ethics are not involved in the definition of a professional who does these things. If you want to involve that, use your adjectives and communication and writing skills to add the word ethical or responsible in front of the word engineer wherever you use it. Instead of making up new definitions to fit your egoic desires: i.e. say "Responsible engineers xysz" instead of "engineers xysz" and then trying to project onto everyone that they are wrong or don't understand what an engineer is if they don't automatically assume and engineer must be responsible to be called an engineer. (which imo is deceptive and self-serving in use of language)

[Stefan-H]

In many engineering professions licenses and certifications require adherence to an ethical code, for instance the ISC2 certifications like the CISSP. So for one to be a professional in these fields one must actually act ethically.