[vintermann]

That's a completely backward way of seeing it. "Nations" want nothing. The EU council is obviously an EU institution, the institution least accountable to the people of the EU. They want it and force it through as best they can. The parliament, the EU institution most accountable to the people of the EU (not that it's saying much) tried to stop it.

[vrganj]

Of course Nations want this.

Who is in the Council? You are saying "nuh-uh", but not addressing any of the substance of my comment.

[int_19h]

The Council represents state governments, not nations. A nation consists of all the people in it, not just those who appointed themselves to speak on its behalf.

[vrganj]

... appoint themselves? You are aware how governments are chosen in all member states? Are you calling into question the democratic processes of national governments?

Either way, your issue is with national governments and not the EU, which curbs their excesses.

[vintermann]

Far from it. This is a classic example that national governments use EU to launder unpopular policy at home. "We have to, it's a EU requirement". It's hard to think it's not by design, that indeed EU is made to "curb the excesses" of popular accountability. UK played that game for decades, and it went as it had to go.

[int_19h]

Yes, that's correct. I am calling into question the democratic processes of any so-called "representative democracy".

[vrganj]

I see. Thank you for sharing your views with us. I think they speak for themselves.