[lukasco]

It sounds like harnesses might have to start to have model by model system prompts, though retrying works, I guess. It reminds me of the ancient times when browsers all read HTML and CSS differently, and differently on different devices. In that sense, this is nothing new. I was going to say, at least we don't have different device types, but then, the model still has to output the right variant of `grep` as well.

[the_mitsuhiko]

The problem with hyper targeting harnesses to models is that you end up locking yourself quite quickly into special behaviors of models, and you make your sessions non transferrable. That can be an acceptable trade-off and I know people who do that.

[lukasco]

Totally agree. And really, we use the llms to be the universal layer, not the harness. It’s already nigh on impossible to eval a harness with multiple turns (at least as far as I’ve seen), so multiply by specific llm prompt…)

[dofm]

The flip side of this is training models to better understand harness interaction, I suppose, which (if I understand it properly and I am in no way sure I do) appears to be what the Qwen AgentWorld model is doing?

[lukasco]

Yeah, that looked pretty cool. But I’m always sceptical of these announcements until I try them.