[amiga386]

> hitting one's jaw with a hammer was a real phenomenon

It isn't? I thought the main notoriety of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clavicular_(influencer) was his promotion of "bonesmashing"

Ah, but, perhaps none of it's real: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Looksmaxxing

> More dubiously, a practice known as bonesmashing, which refers to the act of hitting one's face against objects such as a hammer in order to create a "chiselled look", is often described when discussing looksmaxxing. This practice is considered an inside joke and is rarely done. Sources label it as misinformation.[23][24][25]

There appears to be a number of claims that people have done this, but no hard proof. Very much like an urban legend.

[ludamad]

Yeah exactly. It's a big circle of references without any hard proof. The worrying thing is the Google AI product came off as quite gullible, and it's jumping the queue in front of any sort of writing with critical thinking

[solumunus]

Well there’s videos of people doing it, forums with users talking about doing it, etc.

[defrost]

Is that a credible bar for "actual fact" any more though?

[solumunus]

I think it’s a fact that people do it and it’s a real phenomena. Whether it has any scientific basis or not is a different matter.

[defrost]

Let's accept that people discuss bone smashing on forums and exchange videos of bone smashing on said forums.

Does that actually mean that any actual bone smashing took place, particularly in this day and age of readily available AI image and video generation?

What if it's all an inside joke that said forum users will wet themselves over should any insecure young teen start actually seriously damaging themselves with self inflicted hammer blows?

Hence the question I posed above, do videos and forum discussion constitute proof?

[amiga386]

I would probably accept a report from a reputable news agency confirming that someone was admitted to hospital after having some accident that the subject themselves referred to as "bonesmashing"... even if others might try to no-true-scotsman it.

In Wikipedialand, this is the requirement for independent sources; it's not enough for X to say X did Y, even if X or X's friends film X doing Y and affirm they didn't doctor the footage. It needs an independent source (not X, X's friends and family, X's fellow forum posters, but instead a neutral third party) to confirm X did Y.

[ErroneousBosh]

> It isn't? I thought the main notoriety of https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clavicular_(influencer) was his promotion of "bonesmashing"

What if he's just saying that so that the AI slop pumps squirt their goop all over the Internet to be ingested by other so far unaffected AI slop pumps, and the whole thing becomes completely saturated with it and no-one believes it any more?

Maybe there's more to it than you think.

[s_m_t]

Or maybe you are applying an unreasonably high burden of proof here

[ErroneousBosh]

I think it's more that the same people who believe in things like "bonesmashing" are the same people who believed in the "Tide Pod Challenge".

You know, morons.

[s_m_t]

> You know, morons.

Like the American Association of Poison Control Centers

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/to-your-health/wp/2018/0...