[perching_aix]

> without having the majority of comments being from environmental-jihadists

Not to break your wishful thinking filled bubble, but those are very clearly not "will somebody please think about the environment" type comments. Plenty of people simply fucking despise the ever living shit out of this class of vehicle, just in general.

You really don't need to give two hot shits about the environment to find scooters obnoxiously loud smoke factories, to have a problem with that, and to be absolutely fucking over them as a result. Delivery drivers made sure of that in the past years. I'm sure it's much more convenient for you to just file it under your favorite political grift, but I assure you with confidence, the hate on these is entirely self-interested and genuine.

[lostlogin]

> the hate on these is entirely self-interested

I’ve never before considered altruistic hate versus self interested hate.

I’ve a foot in both camps over scooter noise and fumes, but do love a good Vespa.

[perching_aix]

FWIW, I have absolutely nothing against people loving these things, having fond memories of it, whatever. In fact, I do not see having a love for them and not wanting them on the/certain roads as fundamentally incompatible even. It was the absurd ideological pigeonholing that got to me.

Heartwrenching that OP has a hard-on against environmentalism and feels/is victimized by its proponents on the regular, but it's super not what people were yapping about, isn't at all required for the positions purported, and this really couldn't have been any clearer. Asserting otherwise is intellectually insulting.

I could even sympathize with not wanting to read scooter hate every time scooters come up, which I can definitely imagine to be a phenomenon, but then I would also appreciate not having to read people randomly soapboxing and projecting broad scale political alignments, so that's kind of a 1:1 unfortunately.