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Are you seriously complaining that you are not getting taken seriously anymore after creating a track record of acting in bad faith?

You literally can't create constructive online communities if you don't do that.

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You describe the concept of being taken seriously. We use this a lot in real life. It's arguably a very useful concept.

Wikipedia has elaborate guidelines for everything but users have their own ideas.

For example, the guidelines don't grant you the privilege to delete contributions because you've decided not to take the editor seriously.

Imagine reverting and putting it in an edit summary: I don't take this guy seriously

If there are insufficient independent so called reliable sources to establish the so called notability of Odin but it does have 11k GitHub stars. Then you put an infobox on the article that describes the problem.

You then attempt to find sources. If you find nothing that Wikipedia accepts you might have a conversation about sources for programming languages.

Then you end up reading things like the AFD for hackernoon (22 May 2026) Not even worthy of a stub?

Then you wonder how any programming article established so called notability.

I've just looked at php and I don't see any reference from mainstream media, definitely nothing specifically about php.

It doesn't seem notable?