[stymaar]

Also, how are we supposed to know that JangaFX is a real company, and its CEO a real person?

Creating fake companies and persona is not particularly high effort today, if that's all it takes for a pet project to be featured on Wikipedia, it's going to end up full of crap real quick.

[torginus]

> Also, how are we supposed to know that JangaFX is a real company, and its CEO a real person?

From the page: https://jangafx.com/legal/end-user-license-agreement

     JangaFX, LLC, a North Carolina Limited Liability Company located at PO BOX 27...

[stymaar]

What does that prove exactly?

[embedding-shape]

How do you YCombinator is a real company unless you met pg? Look at it being well known with real useable products, might be something to try to look for...

[DiogenesKynikos]

Because plenty of secondary sources have covered it.

Wikipedia's philosophy is that it summarizes reliable secondary sources. You're asking for Wikipedia to change its fundamental philosophy so that editors go out and gather primary evidence themselves, debate it, and then deduce what's true by themselves. That would work if Wikipedia were edited by a select group of highly qualified people you can trust, but it's not. It's edited by literally anyone who signs up. So the rules are strict: find a secondary source, or else don't include the info.

[close04]

Wikipedia’s strategy is to offload the risk of wrong information to sources which can absorb the hit rather than have it reflected back. It’s “safer” for Wikipedia even to knowingly publish inaccuracies or misinformation from a reputable source than the truth from an unknown source. A lie from a reputable source is unavoidable, a lie from an unknown source is unforgivable.

[DiogenesKynikos]

It's also that letting editors argue based on their own original research would be a recipe for chaos.

"Use reliable secondary sources" is a simple rule that limits the scope for possible conflict and chaos. For an online encyclopedia that anyone can edit, that's very important.

[stymaar]

I'm 95% sure the account you're replying to is a karma-farming bot (15k karma in just 8 month is a lot), which makes its comment spectacularly ironic.

[embedding-shape]

Lol, thanks if nothing else, I suppose, I do have quite some freetime at my hands. Mind pointing out comments by me seems non-humanly written? 95% is high confidence so assuming you have some examples at hand here.

[wavemode]

After reading through several pages of their comments, I'm roughly 100% certain that the user you're referring to is not a bot and is not karma farming. They just post a lot.

[embedding-shape]

Thanks for independently confirming I actually seem human, I had my own doubts about it at times too so helps a lot :)

[bryanrasmussen]

I'm just wondering - what is the benefit of a karma-farming bot? I mean I get the benefits of bots on bluesky and twitter and Instagram etc. because you can turn high engagement into money!!

I figured bots here were because people maybe were trying out AI tools, scripts, or because keeping their business visible to people who might be interested.

But what benefit can you derive from the Karma.I have pretty good Karma and it hasn't done anything for me that I'm aware of?

[embedding-shape]

You can influence the general sentiment in the thread, have the last word everywhere when terms/companies and so on are mentioned. Manipulation goes way beyond just "score goes up", sometimes introducing a lot of fear, uncertainty and doubt is enough to derail entire submissions.

[bryanrasmussen]

OK, but does the Karma help those goals?

[dismalaf]

They do have products you can buy, download and use... And plenty of people on YouTube have made videos reviewing or showing how to use their products.