[jongjong]

It feels like they've been paid to sell out the users themselves, not just the data. It's weird that EU is so dependant on US tech when it comes to media platforms... While there are alternatives out there. In a lot of related areas in tech, it feels like suppression.

[leonidasrup]

"PRISM is a code name for a program under which the United States National Security Agency (NSA) collects internet communications from various U.S. internet companies.

The documents identified several technology companies as participants in the PRISM program, including Microsoft in 2007, Yahoo! in 2008, Google in 2009, Facebook in 2009, Paltalk in 2009, YouTube in 2010, AOL in 2011, Skype in 2011 and Apple in 2012 "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PRISM

[dizlexic]

This might be taken as hyperbolic, but the EU seems to have trouble building anything.

[jongjong]

This is where I disagree as a software engineer who has seen EU products built and not adopted... I've also built products myself which were fully functioning and scalable but not widely adopted. Building is not the bottleneck.

It feels like there is a limit on distribution. Just getting people to try a product is incredibly hard. Very hard to reach them and ads feel like they're only served to bots.

[DocTomoe]

Network effects are real. It is hard to convince people to move over to your platform if the selling argument is 'not quite there yet, but we got you covered on the minilib front, plus it's less usable because of our weird interpretation of our own data protection laws'.

[jongjong]

Yes and my perspective is that GDPR has harmed EU startups and helped US companies by virtue of them being incumbents and having the resources to dedicate to compliance. Probably can't be fixed as easily now because of corporate culture around standards like SOC2 and ISO27001... Which I think are more harmful to security than helpful as they create complacency and hinder progress by creating barriers.

[stavros]

There's a decision to be made whether corporations should be allowed to do anything they want or not. The countries that choose to let them do what they want, will obviously give them an advantage over the countries that don't.

You and I, however, are not corporations, so maybe it's in our best interest if they actually aren't allowed to do whatever they want.

[r_lee]

that is most of the EU legislation

making/operating companies, getting access to banking, hiring, etc..

all those things are catered towards multinationals by endless bureaucracy and requirements that need consultants/lawyers

it's by design

[inigyou]

At the same time there are plenty of European companies, so clearly the increased barriers aren't a deal breaker.

[r_lee]

so you think if there were barriers then there would be no European companies or what?