[WarmWash]

I don't know why people are so sure that Mythos level+ models will be made freely available.

Obviously money is not freely distributed, so how could we possibly make the case that power will be?

All that needs to happen is Xi Jinpeng feel that Chinese SOTA models would be better kept to benefit solely China, and just upon that single utterance, no more models will come out of China.

[godwinson__4-8]

That would not make much strategic sense. China's main advantage is its export power. Why would they cut that off? They are also making incredible investments in actual power to sustain this. The kind of investments the United States doesn't seem capable of making, mostly because our leaders are staggeringly incompetent and unfit. And no, picking the bar up off the floor is not good enough.

Once they dominate the market, they will export to keep it that way. The exported models will be a generation or two behind their SOTA. It will nevertheless surpass Mythos unless you believe we are already at the peak. And it might be "free" but it will obviously be backdoored the same way the United States government benefits from Microsoft's global dominance. The same way America hands out fighter jets just generation behind their own best to keep other governments part of the club and in line.

Unlike the United States where every four years we are at risk to some 180 on policy the Chinese have a clear thesis and a clear direction. How many presidents has Xi seen come and go? Do you get the sense he is getting more impressed? They really don't have to do anything but just keep doing what they are doing. Suddenly stopping their export engine is not in keeping with this strategy. That is "stable genius" behavior.

[holoduke]

Chinese culture is opensource. Every single city in China which are often focused around one particular thing. For example clothing or electronics, are sharing tech, experience, methodologies etc between each other. It's how the Chinese system works. It's very unnatural to hide and project inventions. In the US it's the absolute way around. That's why in China you don't have patent trolls and piles of lawyers sueing the shit out of everyone

[vlian2088]

the music may stop in the future, but right now it isn't even slowing down.

Xi did not interfere when Chinese labs released GPT-4, o1, o3, etc level models. why draw the line at current SOTA that will be old news in a year?

[mosselman]

I think Anthropic has been really successful in their branding of Mythos as something, mythical.

I never heard anyone contemplating "why people are so sure we'd get freely available GPT-4 level+ models".

Mythos is just another advancement in AI model capability. If we start pretending like it isn't, we are setting ourselves up for paying far more than is reasonable and accepting the frame that we should not in fact have free access to open models with the same capabilities.

This is just marketing.

I can't wait for some similar big steps in open weight models.