[notahan]

The tab model was a lot of fun, you felt like you're getting a speed boost while coding. I think vibe coding (or agentic engineering) is a different paradigm altogether.

I have tried out some of the popular tools and I'm using opencode on desktop and I use pi via termux on android for when I'm on the go. I think the current direction of PRD -> review -> execute -> debug is in many cases the right mindset.

Working with a team of fresh graduates, I see that working with any vibe coding tool is like being a manager, not a developer. I think that's what you miss, you miss being a developer but the vibe coding tools make you a manager which isn't something that you might enjoy.

Nonetheless, I do think that there are some interesting things to do with pi. I'm just getting started, if anyone has an interesting workflow in pi, I would be interested in trying it out!

[magicmadrid00]

Nice insight. I never understood this “accept being a manager” thing, because in reality, that’s not the case. Being a manager is much more complex than handling code generated by agents.

What still puzzles me a lot is how you can accept that AI just writes the code for you, without you being the one making decisions about how the code — not the spec — will be written. How are you able to get things done while still keeping a good understanding of everything you did?

Maybe I’m wrong, or maybe it’s because I haven’t pushed the agentic way to its limits, but I really haven’t found it to be a good way to produce good work in general.