[wodenokoto]

Right now you either give it to China or to the US.

China is not publicly threatening to invade the EU.

I think the EU needs to produce this themselves but right now they don’t and they don’t have any large, trustworthy allies.

[ascotan]

so.. hand over your data to china to spite orange man. yes excellent move.

[ifwinterco]

It’s not spite it’s just logical - US/Israel are a known bad actor.

China is also probably bad, but currently there’s no evidence they’re as bad as US/Israel

[JohnTHaller]

In addition to the more well-known stuff, China DDoSed Github because they were mad that two projects let Chinese citizens read non-propaganda news in 2015.

[GuestFAUniverse]

China is supplying Russia, which is attacking an European country.

Thus, from my POV that sentiment is BS.

China is an adversary in a panda costume.

[ifwinterco]

And Israel is attacking various countries - okay not in quite in Europe, but pretty close to the southeastern EU member states.

So you have one country which is in a very loose alliance with a country that's attacking a country around the periphery of the EU, and another country that's joined at the hip with a country that's attacking another country around the periphery of the EU, just slightly further away.

It's not exactly a ringing endorsement of the US

[pvaldes]

Don't be fooled. Israel is also attacking countries in Europe

They did when being caught messing with elections in Scotland, Europe, for example. Whom Europeans vote are none of the Israel business. And there is a reasonable suspicion that they were sending sex traps for decades to blackmail European elites, left and right. This is not how a real friend behave.

[red-iron-pine]

Israel has its back to the wall and needs every advantage, since literally everyone else around them hates them.

they have the US congress and a few cats-paws in Europe, and if that runs out, they die

[delfinom]

China is allowing their companies to trade with Russia. That's all. China has not blocked trade with Ukraine either.

China also stands to benefit long term with a Russia that continues fighting and weakening itself.

[wafflemaker]

China is also supplying Ukraine and the countries that supply Ukraine.

Maybe you meant North Korea?

[someonebaggy]

Germany is also supplying Russia, should Spain exit the mostly-Germany-controlled EU?

[solumunus]

What?

[inigyou]

Think they're referring to oil and gas sales

[tancop]

china has no political agenda outside of their country (that includes taiwan from their pov). all they care about is staying in power at home and keeping up the economy. they only sell to russia because its a good way to make money.

belt and road, deals with african dictators, selling cars and phones to europe, temu and alibaba, open source llms, all of that is for higher tax revenue. a lot of chinese companies are part state owned so thats another way it directly benefits the government.

even the illegal police stations only exist to make sure overseas chinese communities dont support opposition movements back home. is it a good thing? definitely not, but its also not a threat to the host country as a whole.

the spying they do is either economic espionage thats good for the world (trade secrets should not exist, thats what patents are for) or good old state on state action like everybody else is doing. i bet russia and america each have more spies in europe than china.

[barrenko]

There is no reason for chinese elite overproduction other than to wage war by other means. They performed acts such as naval blockade of Australia as a show of force when such a thing was deemed necessary.

Europe is bled dry and will cease to exist rather soon if nothing chnages.

[red-iron-pine]

except for all of the hacking and industrial espionage, e.g. Salt Typhoon

let's be clear: MAGA is doing everything they can per Dugan-esque playbooks on how to destroy US-EU relations, but don't pretend for a second that China is some magical bastion of human rights or fair, competitive practices.