[AndrewKemendo]

I’ve been peripheral to these systems and yes they are pervasive even in “mom and pop.”

Increasingly they are pushed for insurance purposes to automate “loss prevention” and make it auditable and also help build cases.

If the question is how do you get away from surveillance the answer is “you don’t anymore” unfortunately.

At this point it is pervasive and there is no way to avoid it. I’ve been extremely close to surveillance systems my whole career and it’s to the point where if somebody wants to completely surveil you 24/7 they can do it very easily for very little money

[al_borland]

There are levels to it. There is the surveillance, for security, that is what is it. What I’m more opposed to is that surveillance data turning into a revenue stream. Are mom and pop doing that as well? Or maybe the security systems they use are doing it somehow?

[fragmede]

it's pretty easy to justify putting in cameras to catch thieves, but once you've got those cameras in, if there's a way to make money off of them, why not? The economically rational store manager wants to make as much money as they can without breaking the law.