[Dibby053]

They seem to have been granting contracts to manage all kinds of critical data to Huawei's Palantir equivalent lately, so it's probably less about security risks and more about the current source of the bribe money.

If they cared about security they would not outsource this kind of stuff to foreign companies. Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?

[josu]

>Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?

The data may be safer with the CCP, at least they won't lose it.

[Dibby053]

Right up until some kid named "Bobby Tiananmen" makes the whole database delete itself ;)

[broken-kebab]

Dunno, losing it maybe safer from a citizen's POV.

[markdown]

Odd take. 99.99999% of citizens will never travel to China, so it matters not that the Chinese govt holds their data.

A local company losing the data screws everyone. Palantir getting the data screws everyone, because while foreign, that data will eventually be fed into global systems like VISA, Mastercard, etc, and affect your travel in numerous countries that will be outsourcing their systems to Palantir.

[broken-kebab]

I'm not sure what "travel" even does here. Possessing citizen's info opens possibilities for influence ops, blackmailing, unfair advantage in business and much more. And non-democratic countries are always better at these games, cause they need not be afraid of the next government leaking, investigating, selling whatever they did.

Meanwhile gov't losing info on one citizen screws said citizen, but losing all of it screws the gov't itself, and generally rebalances power in favor of citizens. Which one may say isn't bad.

[fluoridation]

You can't predict the future. By your own reasoning, you can't say with any degree of certainty that it will never matter if China has a citizen's data just because that person will never travel there.

[Dibby053]

One in a million?

[Maken]

The contract with Huawei was about buying storage servers [1], which would then be managed by the Interior Ministry. They were not outsourcing anything.

[1] Concretely these: https://support.huawei.com/enterprise/en/flash-storage/ocean...

[8note]

> Spain is not Somalia, why not let Indra do it?

foreigners are a bit more likely to be loyal to the government and not some separatist opposition? or at least the companies corruption will be quite separate from what impacts the local government

this also came up with the 6th gen fighter designs between france and germany. it works when theres a non-european driving, because both trust the non-europe option more than any fellow european. the local lords are too powerful to be trusted, and too competitive against eachother

[Dibby053]

>foreigners are a bit more likely to be loyal to the government

Yes, to their own government! Both China and USA have laws to force companies to insert backdoors. These laws have been enforced numerous times. If you think this is a smaller risk than doing things nationally, then indeed you're basically arguing that Spain is Somalia, there are separatist forces roaming around, the country can't enforce its own laws and the government needs to sell everything to foreign governments to stay in power. This is not the case (for now).