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by orloffm 26 days ago
How is this different from installing Claude Code or Codex? Maybe in the US someone has some hopes about having those makers "legally liable", but in Europe both US and China products seem equally far away and equally closed in all senses.
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maxdo 26 days ago
Yeah that’s why Google lost 4 billion to EU for some elusive non competitive practices. Every single big tech us company is never out of court in eu. Good luck brining any of Chinese companies for distillation . They steal your IP , your data and you have 0 protection .
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kennywinker 26 days ago
If distillation is stealing, then so is generating code using an ai model. It’s the same thing: prompt a model, use the output to make software.

Not to mention, claude and gpt only exist because of massive ip theft in the first place.

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maxdo 26 days ago
yeah, sure, laws are just pointless things.

Lets move to caves and if I kill you first , i'm right, if not i lost. THat's your logic.

there is ToS, and every single person who is doing distillation knows it's illegal. Also on IP theft. There were several courts, in different countries they limit certain knowledge bases and thats it. so that entire claim is baseless.

Again this is the difference. A major book publisher brought ai companies to court and won. You can't doo anything with Chinese companies even if you are book publisher of this world.

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port11 26 days ago
You make some good points, but 3 issues:

1) If training a model on IP theft is stealing, distillation has the same ethical base and we can’t really complain there.

2) While Chinese companies have some protection, they still have to uphold the different laws to enter other markets. We can complain all we want about their immunity, but good luck buying a Chinese car that doesn’t respect EU-wide safety standards.

3) Most (all?) big US-based companies now put arbitrage into their ToS. So no, I can’t sue them either. At best, I can run an expensive uphill campaign against them, which will be mostly pointless in the end.

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kennywinker 26 days ago
ToS violations aren’t really the kind of laws I give a shit about.
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