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by sebastianconcpt 29 days ago
Sanity! No AI has accountability so also should not own any benefits (not only patent but anything beneficial). Violate that and you created a blackhole of value creation.
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This appears to be confusing patent inventors with patent owners. It’s the latter who benefit and presumably are accountable for the use of the patent and potential plagiarism.
Isn't patenting an action to protect a benefit (whichever patent or benefit would be)?
Yes? But it’s not the AI that would receive the benefits, and where does accountability of patent inventors come in?
If an invention was trivial enough to be invented by AI then why should we allow that action to be patented? The expenditure of labor to research that invention was minimal and definitionally not novel.
I wasn’t arguing for AI inventions to be patentable, I was arguing against the argument presented above, which to me doesn’t make sense as an argument.

I’m very much for not allowing trivial patents, but that’s independent from whether the invention was made by AI or by a human. The nature of the inventor should be immaterial for assessing the (non-)triviality of an invention.

I am in agreement that we should disallow trivial patents in general but I think there's an easy win here that patents directly attributed to AI can be clearly disregarded as trivial. It'd also be nice to see an overhaul of the patent system to better narrow the scope to investments with real innovative effort but I think that overhaul is relatively complex to implement.
> patents directly attributed to AI can be clearly disregarded as trivial.

You’d have to provide a convincing argument why that would be the case. You probably think it’s obvious, but it’s not at all obvious to me, and even assuming for the sake of discussion that it is true today, it might stop being true next year.

If we want to attribute non-humans inventor status at all (otherwise the discussion about AI is moot anyway), the assessment should be based on the merits of the invention, not on the nature of the inventor.

"AI output is patentable but it's not copyrightable" is going to be tons of fun.
>No AI has accountability so also should not own any benefits

That doesn't follow at all. A baby doesn't have accountability, but has benefits.

I'm all for accountability being required for important descion making. I too wouldn't let babies make similar descisions.

This non sequitur just makes it sound like you're throwing around talking points and getting them mixed up.

What benefits does a baby hold? Can a baby freely open a bank account, start a company, get married?

A baby has the benefit of being attended their basic needs. Just like Ai is also being fed power.

A baby probably can't open a bank account, but that would be a descision based restriction.

Many babies have bank accounts given to them.

Quite a lot of them benefit from a roof over their head.

>Just like Ai is also being fed power.

How is that relevant to what sebastianconcpt said?

I find your suggestion to equate a baby to AI brutally uncanny
If you say x has property y therefore z then you would have to accept that z or anything that has that property y.

Noting two things share a property is not equavalence,

A whale and an Exocet missile both have mass, that says nothing about their other properties.

Unless you think babies can be held accountable for their actions, your argument is simply invalid.

You are mixing legalism with reality. All babies (and more) are accountable to physics.