[matheusmoreira]

It's not just shameful, it's stupid. Freedom was the whole point of tolerating the shittiness of Android. If they get rid of that, then there is no point, and I'll just buy an iPhone instead. If I must be in a walled garden, I'll choose the better kept garden, and it sure as hell isn't Google's.

[int_19h]

Pragmatically speaking, I doubt that the percentage of users currently choosing Android over iOS for this reason would add up to even 1%. Android dominates worldwide by and large because of cost, and unless Apple pulls another Neo this shall remain regardless of how locked down they make it.

[mirsadm]

An older iPhone is already better than most new cheaper Android phones.

[Gander5739]

Many people disagree.

[palata]

I like Android a lot better. And I really, really like the fact that Android is open source, so that 1) I can read the sources and 2) projects like GrapheneOS can do it right.

Apple does not remotely allow that.

[matheusmoreira]

The whole point of remote attestation is to ban projects like GrapheneOS which "do it right". If you install such things, you are "tampering" with the phone, it becomes an "untrusted" device and you are banned from digital society, completely ostracized.

It's not your phone, it's the corporation's phone, they're only generously allowing you to use it, on their terms. If you install GrapheneOS, or any other system that you gives you ownership of the machine, from the bank's perspective you turn into a fraudster, from the video game's perspective you turn into a cheater, etc.

[palata]

But that's different: if your bank is stupid (most banks are, let's be honest), it's not the fault of Android.

Sure, remote attestation allows your bank to do it, but at the end of the day, it's your bank that pulls the trigger, not Google.

[VeejayRampay]

you think it's shitty, but it's a personal opinion that you're phrasing as some kind of widely accepted view

be sure that it's not, lots of people actually PREFER Android