[arikrahman]

I had a similar experience moving away from Copilot within Zed. Now using the reasonix harness for Deepseek that makes cache hits almost free. And that's with unsubsidized American providers like Digital Ocean or Cloudflare.

[toyg]

I tried using Zed but with local models it constantly breaks on tool calls. I wanted to like it but the smell of vibing is just too much.

[arikrahman]

Likewise, and that's with state of the art technology. I wish a true self-contained binary for Reasonix Desktop was released, for now I have to settle for providing a Flake.nix environment. It isn't nearly as fickle as Zed, but I wish they leveraged that power of the Go toolset more.

[arcanemachiner]

You using models released this year? I hear this complaint a lot, and it's often due to using an old model which is not as good at tool calling as newer models.

[spockz]

What I noticed is that when the conversation starts the agent is pretty able to read from and write to files. As the conversation continues (and maybe sub agents are spawned) it forgets how to do this, complains, tries to resort to running shell or python code, sometimes it works. Sometimes it asks me to execute the code. If I refuse and point out it worked before than sometimes it remembers how to write, but mostly not and I need to start a new session.

When using Zed with the CoPilot integration I use Claude Opus and never had this issue.

[toyg]

Qwen 3.6 and 3.5...

[sydneypan]

Yep reasonix is an absolute case study of caching. They literally compiled byte level cache in their design and it is insane. i can one shot many workflows, apps in under 0.05 cents.

[k__]

Nice.

I paid $6 yesterday for DeepSeek V4 Flash on OpenRouter. That's like $120 dollar for a month, and it's not even a good model.

[bel8]

For DS4 it's much cheaper and reputable to use OpenCode Go $10/mo subscription, or directly with DeepSeek API.

[arikrahman]

Sometimes $10 is more than I'll do with API tokens. I prefer the top up scheme for peace of mind, but the deal does sound generous. The only concern is sustainability, similar to subsidized copilot pricing having to change.

[k__]

Thanks!

I'll try that.

[epolanski]

That's quite an achievement, I managed to spend only 2$ on 16 different tasks of v4 pro.

[k__]

Yeah, v4 flash is dirt cheap, but it's running in circles quite often.

Might very well be that a better model is cheaper if it gets things right the first try.

Maybe I should route to a better model when v4flash hasn't solved after a specific number of tokens.

[russelg]

I'm having great success with DS4 Pro as my main model, while using DS4 Flash for subagents.

[k__]

I tried DS4 Pro yesterday for one particular task that Flash struggled with.

That one Pro task cost $1.50 and the whole day of using Flash cost me $5.

[VortexLain]

What is the average monthly token price for daily reasonix use?

[arikrahman]

For me it's about $5 of work, where I've done equivalent work for about $200.