[voxl]

Comparing it to the trolley problem is incorrect. COVID had real potential to kill you, even as a young person. At that point its a matter of risk assessment for yourself. Take a 2% chance of dying, a slightly higher chance of reduced quality of life (long COVID), or take a lottery-winning chance of dying to this blood clot. It is appropriate to do the math correctly to decide if this makes sense, but to claim that scientists and advocates did not do this personal risk assessment math and merely went off the benefits of herd immunity is a lie and anti-vaccine propaganda.

[andrei_says_]

A nice lottery simulator which had me stop playing the lottery

https://perthirtysix.com/tool/lottery-simulator

[appplication]

Oh fun, I won the $330m jackpot after 3.5m tickets, the lesson is apparently lost on me :)

[natureiskino]

>Comparing it to the trolley problem is incorrect. COVID had real potential to kill you, even as a young person.

I don't think this is correct. If you remove the people with comorbidities, the risk for healthy young people was minuscule, there's way other issues you should concern yourself with at that point, rather than dying from COVID.

Vaccinating young people with something that had the potential of side effects was just dumb, either way you look at it. I'm honestly baffled it was accepted. It seems to be the product of mass hysteria, sustained by greed for profits.

[bawolff]

> the risk for healthy young people was minuscule

Arguably so was the risk from the vaccine.

About 17400 people under 20 died of covid. According to this paper https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8875435/ all the people who died from side effects of the covid vaccine were over 22 (its possible that is not exhaustive, but i can't seem to find any examples of confirmed deaths related to the vaccine for children. If there are any i think its likely the number is in the single digits).

So even if the risk of death from covid in kids is small, its still probably at least 1000 times higher than the risk from the vaccine, and possibly much higher.

> something that had the potential of side effects

Literally everything has potential side effects. Clean drinking water? Has side effects (e.g. less vitamin b12 from poop). All choices have consequences.

[picofarad]

Why do people keep saying 22? There's more than 22 videos of people suddenly falling to the ground after the vaccine mandates.

Does no one remember? I can't be the only one...

[bawolff]

I said the age of the youngest person i could find who died of the vaccine was 22 (and hence not a child), not that there was 22 people.

> falling to the ground

Someone fainting at the sight of a needle (or the injection), is not something i, or most people, would consider a dangerous side effect.

[genewitch]

i didn't say "immediately after a vaccine" i said "after the vaccine mandate", people doing press conferences, football, dancing, whatever would just fall down.

I misread what you said, as well.

[mrmuagi]

2% chance of death? A quick google shows it to be around 0.16%, and the deaths seem to be allocated to people who are older or just have other comorbities. I think the scientists in retrospect just didnt want hospitals to get full honestly, since they dont have the capacity for it as it is — atleast here in Canada.

[elp]

For comparison the death rate from the vaccine is around 0.0001%.

Yes they didn't want the hospitals to get full. That's when the younger healthy people who would have recovered can't get the medical care they need to survive.

You had to have spent covid in a pretty sad friendless hole not to know friends or family who ended up in hospital during the peaks.

[picofarad]

> pretty sad friendless hole not to know friends or family who ended up in hospital during the peaks.

I am unsure what fallacy this is, but it is pretty offensive.