[qsera]

No, it is not about large trials. It is about changing the attitude of medical practitioners and the media that refuse to acknowledge a vaccine could have caused an adverse effect.

I understand that this is to not feed the vaccine hesitancy. But to anyone observing carefully, this is a crucial break in the information chain that can feedback any ill effects of any vaccine back to the creators.

[defrost]

> the attitude of medical practitioners and the media that refuse to acknowledge a vaccine could have caused an adverse effect.

In what alternative group think echo chamber did that happen within?

Here, in the real world, it was acknowledged from the get go that vaccines carried risks and that was why the call went out, from almost the start of 2020, for trial volunteers to find the risks associated with a number of new vaccine variants in the pipelines.

[qsera]

I am talking about a case when there IS some adverse effect, after it happened.

In that case, there is generally an effort from the practitioners that the vaccine could not have caused it, particularly when the said thing is not mentioned in the package insert or in the list of adverse effects from the manufacture.

[defrost]

Is this a general complaint about the lack of causality inherent in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)?

It suffers many of the shortfalls of, say, a Haircut Adverse Event Reporting System (HAERS)

[RandomLensman]

How would you suggest to establish causality?

[qsera]

First step would be to collect data that is trust worthy regarding potential adverse reactions. And for that the barriers that stigmatize such reporting should be removed.

Basically, for starters, doctors should be free to report the events they see without getting labeled "Anti-vaccine doctor" or fear of getting their licence revoked.

When such barriers exist, no one could/should trust the product.

[RandomLensman]

What don't you like about current reporting such as VAERS? Where do you see the barriers there specifically? Do you have examples of doctors getting their licenses revoked for reporting something?

[qsera]

>VAERS

When you got your vaccine, were you told to report at VAERS if you have any problems? Most people does not even know such a thing exists.

Even then the reports from that database is not really considered trust worthy. It is often dismissed with a statement that "anyone can report anything there!"

[RandomLensman]

Who refused to acknowledge there could be adverse effects? I certainly was given information prior to vaccination that outlined possible adverse side effects.