[Waterluvian]

Society is the trolley problem. The balancing act between individual and collective rights is the lever being thrown every time we pass a law or make a regulation.

I can absolutely empathize though. It really is fucked up to experience it in the extreme. Usually the trade-offs are much more minor or have a big time delay or are more abstract.

[zmgsabst]

Lots of societies who started with some killing “for the common good” ended in atrocities.

The statistics on men under 25 are still horrific and suggest this was in fact the latter category: atrocity masquerading behind that euphemism.

[InsideOutSanta]

Do you apply that same standard to other things, like cars? Do you feel allowing people to drive is also society "killing for the common good"?

After more than eight billion doses of the vaccine, about twenty deaths were causally linked to the vaccine. Five times as many people die every day from traffic in the US alone, many of them children.

What about gun ownership? How many people does that "kill for the common good"?

And by that measure, isn't not vaccinating people an even bigger atrocity? Aren't you also arguing to kill people "for the common good" by not mandating vaccination?

[LMYahooTFY]

Cars and gun ownership were not mandated by the government.

[InsideOutSanta]

Yes, they are. I'm mandated by the government to live in a country that has cars and gun ownership.

[defrost]

Your government refuses to let you leave the country?

That aside, they also command you to own both a car and a gun?

[InsideOutSanta]

> Your government refuses to let you leave the country?

This argument also applies to you: by your logic, vaccine mandates are perfectly fine because you can leave the country.

> That aside, they also command you to own both a car and a gun?

The problem isn't me owning a car and gun, the problem is obviously everybody else. I'm rather unlikely to drive into myself while driving my own car.

[Sammi]

No one is "killing" anyone. That is just a gross mischaracterization. Sometimes (like this) we just choose the least bad solution, that's it.

[zmgsabst]

If you do something to a person and they die after, you killed them.

If you can’t admit you’re killing people you absolutely lack the ethics to compel actions for others, as in your case here.

COVID vaccines and their mandates absolutely did kill people — and you can believe that is justified, but if you cannot admit the fact, it’s a clear indication you’re not behaving ethically.

[cryptoegorophy]

I wonder if this is some kind of prisoners dilemma for society and individual choice.