[switchbak]

"US intelligence has killed and ruined the lives of far more people than China has" - please provide a strong argument for this statement, with numbers and sources.

I'm no apologist for the US Intelligence and related organizations (not by a very long shot), but that is a very extreme statement to make.

[LtWorf]

You know what's happening in Cuba right now?

[switchbak]

You know what happened in China in this past century?

[LtWorf]

A lot of things. In the past century USA had plenty of "no blacks" signs around, Operation Barrel Roll happened against a neutral country, so I doubt USA have the moral high ground you think it has.

If we specifically refer to the past decade though, it looks much worse for USA.

[switchbak]

I’m still waiting for those well sourced numbers I asked for.

Again, I’m not making any excuses for the USA, though you seem insistent on believing so. Two things can be true at the same time: that the USA has been a destructive world influence and contributed to much suffering, as well as China having killed an astronomical number of its own citizens. Both are bad, China is worse, full stop.

And why move the goalposts to the last decade? That’s like excusing Bill Cosby because he hasn’t done any raping lately.

[ai_fry_ur_brain]

How many Russians, Palestinians, Afghanis, Libyan, Sudanrse, Somalian, Syrians, Iranians and Yemenis people do you think US intelligence has contributed to killing over the last decade?

Or are those not people to you?

China doesn't go around the world using it's military to force it's will upon people.

Every decision the US military, or State Department makes is a product of US intelligence

The foundation of US Intelligence was built by people who literally cried in the meeting when FDR broke ties with Nazi Germany. They proceeded to pardon and protect the perpetrators of genocide after ww2, then went onto hire them. US intelligence is literally built by Nazis.

The CCP was founded on the back of a peasent uprusing. The US is the 4th Reich and the most evil government to ever exist. The people of the US are generally good people, but the Empire itself is pure evil that fuels itself with death and destruction.

[switchbak]

First off, you're arguing with someone who mostly is in agreement with you.

"please provide a strong argument for this statement, with numbers and sources" - I see you provided me none of what I asked for.

"Or are those not people to you?" - can't you read? Why pull in this kind of derogatory bullshit.

Again, I'm no apologist - far from it - for the crimes of the USA's hegemonic foreign policy and meddling in other country's affairs. But I specifically asked for numbers here. Even including the various conflicts you mentioned - not to mention Vietnam, Cambodia, most of Central and South America - you must have an upper bound for that number.

But you don't seem to mention anything about the actual reality of the CCP and its horrendous toll on human life - mostly to its own citizens. The OP was saying the USA has killed far more than China. That is stupendously, outrageously wrong - Mau is responsible for far more deaths than even the wildest accounting of US atrocities.

"China doesn't go around the world using it's military to force it's will upon people" - it literally has secret police stations in the USA and Canada where they punish Chinese abroad that have disobeyed dictates. WTF are you on about?

"The US is the 4th Reich and the most evil government to ever exist" - for Christ sake. Yes, there is a tremendous amount of really shady shit in the USA's (recent) history, but 4th Reich? Most evil government?? If you really believe that then I'm wasting my time here with someone who's brain is broken.

Ahh, looking at your history of 1-liner comments it's clear you're mostly into low effort trolling. And your comment is so outside the bounds of reason that I must presume you're either wildly uninformed or acting in bad faith.

[seanmcdirmid]

> China doesn't go around the world using it's military to force it's will upon people.

No, they use it on their own people. Come on, the USA is bad, but comparing it to China isn’t going to show the contrast you are looking for.

[LtWorf]

I see the USA propaganda is working.

[seanmcdirmid]

Thats not propaganda. If you are a Chinese citizen who went through the Chinese Ducati in system, are you telling me they successfully convinced you that nothing happened in 1989? Or more people didnt die in the siege of Changchun than say when Japan invaded nanjing?

PLA has always been focused on battling other Chinese, it’s literally in its name [the L stands for liberation, it’s still an army aimed at domestic subjugation rather than doing anything abroad).