[jatora]

The claims of 4.6 or 4.7 being superior genuinely make me laugh. Adapt your workflow if needed and use the superior model instead of just kneejerk believing they actually enshittified a model with zero evidence except vibes on an undeterministic model output. Jesus.

[sudosteph]

4.6 was the last model that let you disable adaptive thinking and set max thinking token budget. I liked having that available, and still use it sometimes.

[dandellion]

Your vibes are definitely better than his vibes.

[dymk]

What about all the benchmarks that show improvements in each generation?

[digitaltrees]

Many of the improvements are the result of agentic loops and an emphasis on autonomy. Some of us don’t like that because the models go rogue and ignore design patterns, architecture, coding guidelines or other things that are important.

My friends and colleagues that like the agentic autonomy don’t care about the code, they feel like if it works it works and if an AI system is the only intelligence able to understand it that is ok.

I still want to be in the loop. They don’t.

[8note]

the more agentic focused the better though?

sonnet 5 is very noticeably a much better model than any opus that ive touched

it actually does the things i want it to, and uses tools and triggers skills appropriately, vs trying to make stuff up

[bakies]

Agentic coding should absolutely care about all the things you listed.

[digitaltrees]

It doesn’t for me.

[matltc]

Like another commenter said below, last Opus version to respect adaptive thinking and token budget flags was 4.6

[cornholio]

It was quite clear 4.7 was a dumbed down high efficiency model they put out in a rush to handle the capacity issues they were having at the time. I've experienced myself substantial degradation on basic reasoning tasks, which were fixed in 4.8.

[dijit]

Bro, it's all vibes.

Models get dumber during the day and smarter during the night, I swear.

but I'm not willing to scientifically verify this, so I'm just going to go off of vibes- just like everyone seems to be doing with projects.

[rplnt]

These vibes are pretty obvious even with casual use. Weekends are so much better.

[human305893]

In my case it that I'm tired and more likely to miss issues or mistakes. My idea of good enough is at a much lower level when it's 10pm and I'm about to knock off and go to bed in an hour.

[jatora]

Exactly.

The real step change I've seen lately is in the amount of complaining people are doing when their models aren't giving them what they want.

[solenoid0937]

4.8 is much better than either of them as well.