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by matheusmoreira 27 days ago
Here's to OpenAI and a chinese firms bringing some much needed competition.
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Amusing to see OpenAI being the "good guy" in the end
They didn't become the good guy, Anthropic became the bad guy instead. The good guys are the chinese firms releasing open weight models.
There's no good guys, just entities you might be able to get marginal value from, who in turn want to get marginal value from you
No. The "good guys" are the ones who provide permanent value: open weight models, hardware we can afford, purchase and own. The good guys offer sovereignty.

The "you'll buy intelligence from us on a meter" rent seekers are technofeudalists. Just a bunch of "you'll own nothing and you'll be happy" oligarchs who must be resisted at all costs. Anthropic had a reputation for ethics at first but it quickly became clear it was just like OpenAI but with a patronizing attitude.

The fact China is releasing open weight models will never not be amusing. I expected better from the USA.

So... it IS China, not just companies in China. And why would the CCP want to give out open weights, hmm? Because they are all kindness and love? No. It is just their approach to counter dominance in the space by Western frontier labs. No need to make moral attributions..it is everything, and I mean everything, about Great Power Competition.
Their self serving reasons are irrelevant. The results can be moral even if the players aren't. The key is to somehow prevent any one of them from dominating completely so we can play them off one another and keep reaping the rewards. If China's undermining efforts achieves that, so be it. The fact we're getting permanent access to powerful models as a result is nothing short of awesome.

In order for us to win, neither China nor the US can win. The ideal situation is the one where they exhaust themselves trying while we benefit by picking up the pieces.

That is literally the point of world trade buddy... lmao

Its just funny how there is some scary boogeyman around China. You do realise the idiotic west gave china everything - from know-how, techniques to IP by benefitting from lower costs of production?

What they are doing is pretty fair game.

The purpose is the destabilization and discrediting of democracy. The Beijing state, in concert with Putin and ex-Khamenei, has no other purpose but to prove there is no democratic alternative. Sure, it turns out you get free things as e.g. one got free RT America.
> destabilization and discrediting of democracy

Democracies don't need any help whatsoever in that area, they're more than happy to do that to themselves on a daily basis.

> The purpose is the destabilization and discrediting of democracy.

Unless they made US elect trump it's hard to see how they might be damaging democracy more than the democracy damages itself.

> The good guys are the chinese firms

Eh... I'd say DeepSeek and maybe one more of the small labs. Chinese Big Tech is even worse than US Big Tech.

Whichever firm is distilling the frontier models and releasing the weights is doing god's work. I'll forever thank them for that.
They're great but in fact it is state financed economic war against the democratic world.
That could easily change if the frontier labs would release their (N-1)th model or (N-2)th model as open weights. Unfortunately, they won't.
The democratic world that wants to price me out of computers? Lock me out with remote attestation? Put me in a permanent underclass where I'm forced to rent computers and inference from the owner class instead of operating my own systems? A world so democratic it's degenerating into technofeudalism? Where you'll own nothing and you'll be happy?

China's not looking too bad.

Yeah this is wild stuff. Seeing Anthropic free fall after building up such good will is shocking.
Personally, I think it is manufactured outrage by those with an agenda.
Free fall? None of this recent Mythos / Fable drama is going to even slow Anthropic down.

The HN bubble strikes again.

It's certainly not going to affect their valuation, but their reputation as the "ethical" AI company is gone.
Doubtful, I think that’s mostly the HN bubble speaking, but regardless, I doubt they care.
They are slowing down. Sonnet 5 is nothingburger.