[dismalaf]

While I'm sympathetic to a lot of privacy concerns, how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out?

Also, every car with a dashcam or built in cameras is basically already this. Where I live every intersection has cameras. Most of the buildings. It's not like this is anything new and honestly, probably a better use of cameras than most of the other applications.

[jasonlotito]

> how hard is it to simply not be an asshole and not pass school buses when they have their flashing lights out?

As a parent with children who take the bus... this actually doesn't matter. You can't assume that the car's owner is passing the school bus. So, this is a case of finding someone guilty with no physical evidence. And the real fear there is that suddenly you are guilty because someone else was using your Wi-Fi, and you suddenly have the burden of proof to prove your innocence.

> Where I live every intersection has cameras.

And now you are guilty of crimes. Prove you didn't do them.

[strictnein]

> As a parent with children who take the bus... this actually doesn't matter

Huh? As a parent with kids who take the bus, people ignoring the flashing lights on buses absolutely does matter.

> this is a case of finding someone guilty with no physical evidence.

Bus drivers call the cops on the cars who do this already. What evidence do they have, other than the license plate?

[jasonlotito]

> Huh? As a parent with kids who take the bus, people ignoring the flashing lights on buses absolutely does matter.

This doesn't stop that. And the penalty is too low to stop this. Nor does this target the people running these lights.

I'd prefer to stop it from happening rather than merely fining people.

Further, to my direct point: you can literally respect the flashing lights and stop at buses and still get penalized for this.

So why do you want to punish people for obeying the law?

> Bus drivers call the cops on the cars who do this already. What evidence do they have, other than the license plate?

If they can get the license plate sure. But they rarely can. And they don't, which is why it rarely goes to trial.

I'm curious, do you want to stop this or just let people make money off this scheme? As a parent with kids, I'd think it would be the former, but you are arguing for the latter.

[cf100clunk]

The concern is the sharing of such surveillance with law enforcement and other government agencies.

[cucumber3732842]

a) it doesn't actually happen that often

b) when it does it's usually some stupid situation where robotic adherence to the lights is in poor taste (like a bus picking up or discharging an entire team on a right side curb, or a divided median) albeit legally mandated.

c) School bus drivers already radio in plate numbers of anyone who does it in poor taste and the buses mostly already have dashcams so this isn't really solving a problem

Source: bus driver in the family

[vel0city]

a) it happens all the time

Source: actual statistics instead of just second hand reports from a single bus driver.

https://www.ghsa.org/resource-hub/school-bus-safety-action-p...

[cucumber3732842]

39mil/yr (coming from the people who want to play up the problem) is less than half a percent of trips. Which is pretty amazing to me considering that a trip is an hour or so of stop and go on surface roads. I assume a huge fraction of that is just from opposing traffic that isn't paying attention or behaving conservatively enough to be in a position to be stopped as soon as it's red.

Seriously, this isn't a problem. We're talking a small amount of petty unlawful behavior that almost certainly has a near zero conversion ratio to actual harm to anybody. That's not a good reason to crank the 1984 to 11 and anyone that says it is is a bad person and I'll die on that hill.

[buellerbueller]

Happens more school days than not on my street.

[pc86]

You do not have to stop for a bus if there is a divided median and you're opposing traffic. For the team example, you don't know if someone from the team is going to cross the street so of course you still stop. "This is taking too long" is not a realistic reason to pass a school bus with a giant flashing stop sign on the side of it.