[surgical_fire]

> Europe becoming more reliant on the Chinese is not the answer

China should be dealt with as a normal country. There's no need for undue anxiety there.

EU as a trade block should exercise reciprocity and protect its own interests accordingly though.

As for LLMs, I see no issue in using Chinese models. With the talk of digital sovereignty, you can run open source models on EU datacenters without necessarily having to spend the money to train them.

> isolate the EU from the US.

That is not a bad thing. In fact, I hope this separation grows stronger.

It was about time European countries lifted themselves from the US shadow.

[WarmWash]

China is an authoritarian ethnostate with mock capitalism experiments.

If you want to climb into Xi Jinpeng's garden where he has absolute uncontested unilateral control for life, well, be warned.

[surgical_fire]

I want to climb nothing.

I said that the EU should have normal relations with China. It has no reason to inherit the US anxiety about China being a contender in the world stage.

Trade with it normally, do trade deals where it makes sense, use reciprocity and protectionism where it fits.

This should be pretty uncontroversial.

[burnerRhodov3]

>Trade with it normally, do trade deals where it makes sense, use reciprocity and protectionism where it fits.

This is extremely controversial. Where do you draw the line? Ev's are okay, cause the climate... Oh, wait, our own car industry dies? It's okay competition! Oh wait... They have no min wage or safety standards? Oh shit, where'd our auto industry go...? Oh, guess that didn't make sense... Lets tarrif...

And on and on and on, with every industry.