[spacedcowboy]

I mean, this is not necessarily a problem for the EU. Some might say it's a goal.

The USA is far more dangerous a "friend" than China is an acquaintance. China has not been threatening military annexation, China does not randomly start trade (or real) wars. China doesn't just turn away from international commitments.

Bottom line: China is a far better international partner than the USA.

[petilon]

> China has not been threatening military annexation

Maybe not in Europe, but ask their Asian neighbors.

> The USA is far more dangerous a "friend" than China is an acquaintance.

That's true and will continue to be true for 2.5 more years. European countries too have had bad leaders (like Germany), but have recovered. So too will the US.

> China is a far better international partner than the USA.

China is not a democracy and does not share western values.

[Laurel1234]

> China is not a democracy and does not share western values.

True, but neither is the US.

[energy123]

> China has not been threatening military annexation

They've been doing military annexation right now in the South China Sea.

> China does not randomly start trade (or real) wars.

The invasion of Vietnam? The subsidization of industry and pegging their FX?

> China doesn't just turn away from international commitments.

Abandoning Ukraine despite being a signatory to an agreement that assures their defense?

This is not an anti-China post. I don't like anti-XYZ country posts that create tension and make people defensive. I am not particularly against China more than other major powers. They have their interests and they pursue them selfishly, like other countries do. This is just a basic lesson about the world you live in.

[spacedcowboy]

Taken as read is the context "in Europe" here - it's a comment about European reaction to China vs America, and none of the above applies to Europe.

[energy123]

China didn't renege on its treaty with Ukraine who is in Europe?

American isn't sanctioning Russia's oil?

China isn't buying Russia's oil?

[spacedcowboy]

For Ukraine, America has treated them far worse than China, humiliating its leader, buying Russian oil, publicly agreeing with Putin, telling Ukraine to just give up its land and people, charging Ukraine for its support, trying to bend Ukraine over a barrel for mineral rights in exchange for weapons, I could go on.

China does what it says it will do. The US lies to your face and does what it wants to. One of these is a far easier country to deal with.

[energy123]

You have a very childish view of the world if you think insulting words is what counts, while ignoring China buying far more Russian oil, China reneging on their memorandum with Ukraine (but somehow "China does what it says it will do"?), the US tariffs on Indian to deter the purchasing of Russian oil, the literal US sanctions on Russian oil, the material ongoing intelligence support, China saying "we can't afford for Russia to lose", China's sale of drone parts to Russia, and China turning a blind eye to NK sending troops to invade Ukraine. There is no point in this conversation, it is pure emotional certainty coupled with a very vacuous understanding of the world you live in. You've been emotionally hijacked by your media consumption.

[spacedcowboy]

> There is no point in this conversation, it is pure emotional certainty coupled with a very vacuous understanding of the world you live in. You've been emotionally hijacked by your media consumption.

right back at you, son.

[naim08]

> taiwan? > hk? trade wars... have you actually looked at how china uses trade as political bargaining tool??? Look at how China treats Japan, south korea, etc

[surgical_fire]

Eminently, none of those places are in Europe