[eschaton]

How do they enforce that contributions aren’t copied and pasted from AGPLv3 or proprietary codebases? The honor system and intuition and occasionally flat out asking people.

Do you think sociopaths willing to lie about how they came up with a contribution are really that common?

[JodieBenitez]

Let me tell you a story: I use agents at work. Not to add more useless features, not in a let-loose way, not so that I can slack all day but to produce better output. Think performance optimizations, security fixes, better use of underlying frameworks, produce better documentation, get useful hints from the code base, that kind of thing. In a word, to produce objectively better software. that is my honor: giving the best I can.

Because AI is frowned upon where I work, I kept that under the radar. And I got nothing but praises for the good work, everybody loving it. Later I had the opportunity to port a piece of software from one language to another. LLMs are great for porting stuff when steered well. Again, nothing but praises for the amazing work done in a very short time. And this is where I tried to open a debate about AI by disclosing my tools and methods. And boom, suddenly I was evil. Praises gone. But still, none had the guts to throw the port to trash, because it's still very good. Hypocrisy.

So yes, call me sociopath if you like, but I will lie, produce better software and get the praises if I have to work in an environment that values tools and methods over results.

[nurbl]

You don't think there are any other aspects worth considering than the mere quality of the code produced?

[JodieBenitez]

Sure, but these aspects are rarely brought up by my opponents. And we can discuss them ad lib, but there is no coming back for me.

[dirkc]

Don't compromise your professional integrity by lying about how you work. Rather find a job where you don't need to lie about your use of AI if you can.

[JodieBenitez]

25 years ago I had to lie about using free software since it was also frowned upon. I even lied to my CTO at the time who wanted me to work completely in a Microsoft environment, with ASP and what not. Being kinda stubborn I did not comply and used only free software. When boss saw the result and the cost I got promoted. My integrity is fine.

[eschaton]

You should have been fired for cause, because the way you chose to work exposed your employer to substantial liability due to the “copyright laundering” nature of LLMs. But you prioritized feeling good over everything else. You’re a sociopath and you should be treated as one—a bad-faith actor only out for themselves, who cannot be trusted to collaborate within agreed-upon limits because you don’t think rules apply to you.

[JodieBenitez]

There are no agreed-upon limits, everything is new there. And I don't prioritize feeling good over everything else, otherwise I just wouldn't even start the debate. Far from being fired, I was promoted, because the real world is not your fantasy, results matter more than theorical threats. Also keep your name-calling to yourself.

[eschaton]

You literally said as much, and I am not calling you names, I am accurately describing your behavior in a way you yourself appear to recognize:

> So yes, call me sociopath if you like, but I will lie, > produce better software and get the praises if I > have to work in an environment that values tools > and methods over results.

You specifically said you would lie about how you work to get accolades if your employer attempted to set rules against working the way you prefer.

The appropriate reaction to your employer setting rules you don’t agree with is to try to convince them to change those rules, engage in a labor action alongside your coworkers to force them to change those rules, or to leave.

[JodieBenitez]

Blah blah blah.. virtue signaling. Enough said.

[JodieBenitez]

> The appropriate reaction to your employer setting rules you don’t agree with is to try to convince them to change those rules,

And that's what I do: nothing is more convincing than great results.

Get off your high horse maybe.

[eschaton]

What you’re calling a “high horse” is having morals and ethics. Your employer said not to do what you’re doing, so you either convince them to change their mind without doing something they explicitly said they don’t want you to do, or you go elsewhere. If you take the route of being a filthy fucking liar you aren’t in a position to accuse anyone of being on a high horse.