[joe_mamba]

>It is not automatically progress.

Irrelevant. The world changes for better and for worse, whether you want to or not, and you can only ignore it and piss against the wind so long before you get wet.

Ignoring, resisting or opposing global change only works if you're THE global hegemon and can bully everyone else to operate by your rules. Europe is not, therefore it can't dictate terms for others so it can't keep resisting global changes without loosing more of its prosperity, leverage and influence to the rest of the world.

EU is stuck in the middle of the race between two superpowers, and if it refuses to take part in the race and sit it out, it will simply become a colony of the winning power(s). It's why the US entered WW1 and WW2 even if it didn't have to. Because if it didn't and just decided to sit it out chilling away from the conflit, it would have missed out on all the major industrial and technical progress the war effort has led to and the USSR would have swallowed everything. That's how it became the world hegemon.

EU on the other hand keeps deciding to sit out most of the global battles and gets left behind with no leverage in key sectors, then complains that its trading partners are treating it "unfairly". Well yeah, when you have no leverage you will only get sloppy seconds, that's how the world works. If you want a piece of the action, you have to get in the fight, get a little bloody, and take what you want, not sit by and expect the victor will share a piece of the spoils with you for free.

[Ravus]

> It's why the US entered WW1 and WW2 even if it didn't have to. Because if it didn't and just decided to sit it out chilling away from the conflit, it would have missed out on all the major industrial and technical progress the war effort has led to and the USSR would have swallowed everything.

The USSR was formed in 1922. Up until September 1917 (a consequence of the February revolution), Russia was ruled by the tsars. The US declared war on Germany on April 2, 1917.

[nephihaha]

> The world changes for better and for worse,

Erm, that was my point.

But I have heard people saying they "like change". I like change for the better and not the other kinds so much.

NB: Europe =/= EU. I am in part of Europe which isn't in the EU.

[joe_mamba]

> I like change for the better and not the other kinds so much.

I think you missed my point. I never said people should like change for the worst, my point was the change for the worst is often inevitable in the world, and the issue I was talking about is that the EU doesn't do anything when changes for the worst inevitably happen.

If the EU doesn't like changes for the worst happening, then it needs to get up its ass and implement the changes it wants to see in the world, by force if it has to, like the US and China are doing for their own interests. But the EU does nothing, it just sits on the sidelines, complains, talks down to, and moralizes its citizens and the rest of the word on how everyone should stop doing those bad things, which just gets applause from liberal activists, but doesn't actually fix anything, so EU's prosperity and influence declines leaving it poorer, more vulnerable and more and more at the mercy of external bad actors simply because it does nothing practical, only feel-good PR stunts and speech control on social media.

Edit: like the 3 Euro parcel tax the EU just added starting from today.