[Chyzwar]

Because claude subscription tokens are cheaper than deepseek and friends. You have whole industry of people reselling Claude subscriptions in China.

Can you comprehend than Anthropic is winning because is both cheap(subscriptions) and better SOTA. People are cheering China providers when I reality they would rugpull open weights the moment they are competive.

China models are trash that why they are giving them away for free.

For individuals and small companies subscriptions is the best deal, for big companies china models are big no unless they can host them.

[slopinthebag]

No, Claude subscription tokens are not cheaper than the Deepseek API. You are dead wrong on that.

[SwellJoe]

I just built a pretty complicated OSV (Open Source Vulnerabilities) data pipeline, 731 lines of code (excluding comments), DuckDB, etc. for $0.31 in Reasonix. According to Reasonix, I'm averaging 97.90% cached tokens (which are like an order of magnitude cheaper than non-cached). If I worked eight hours every day, at that rate, I'd be spending about $2 to $3 a day. So...yeah, DeepSeek is cheaper, but not, like crazily cheaper than the $100 plan from Anthropic, where I rarely run out of tokens. But, Anthropic and OpenAI are pushing people toward usage-based billing rather than flat rate subscriptions. The free lunch from the big guys is coming to an end, I suspect, at which point, spending $50-$75 a month with DeepSeek begins to seem like a good option.

There are also a bunch of things where the API is the only reasonable way to make use of a model, and DeepSeek makes that easy and cheap, none of the US vendors do. It's extremely expensive to use Anthropic and OpenAI APIs. I'm always trying to find places I can replace Opus API usage with DeepSeek or MiMo or even GLM (though, so far, GLM is also a bit pricey, I guess their coding plans provide API access and make it cheaper, so that might be an option).

[Chyzwar]

My 7-day stats from the codeburn tool: $2,123.26 cost, 11,370 calls, 333 sessions, 96.7% cache hit. Breakdown: 4.5M in, 18.1M out, 2,084.9M cached, 66.6M written.

I spent $2,000 in tokens on my $200/month subscription in just one week. This also excludes heavy usage of Cowork and Claude Design.

Claude estimated that the same usage on DeepSeek Pro API would cost me $200 for the week. A month averages 4 weeks, so I can estimate that Claude is 4x cheaper than DeepSeek for me.

What are you basic your opinion ?

[slopinthebag]

Because my highest usage day with over 30,000,000 tokens was about $0.50.

Even at your numbers you get like $20 usage a week MAX. Actually it’s less but I can’t be arsed to do the math. 18,000,000 input tokens x $0.87 per million, is like $16. I don’t really understand the metrics that your program is producing.

But your numbers seem odd. I get much more input than output tokens, and almost all of them are cached. You having way more output tokens is either a non-agentic coding use case, or a harness issue.

[Der_Einzige]

Not sure why you're being downvoted for being objectively correct.

HN is full of contrarians and folks who don't know what they're talking about in regards to AI.

[slopinthebag]

No they aren’t.